Incident with traffic police - learn some manners !!
Incident with traffic police - learn some manners !!
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Captac007

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84 posts

242 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Hi all

Just had a little incident with the boys in blue, which if some courtesy had been included, could have been avoided and wouldn't have soured the end to a great day.

SWMBO and i were driving in the Porsche through Tunbridge Wells and saw a police Skoda ahead with its blues on.
I continued slowly towards it, and then this PC lept out mouthing "in you !" I obliged, or rather tried, and failed initially which seemed to annoy him as i pointed behind as a bus was two inches from my bumper. He finally got the message and intstructed the bus to reverse. I then pulled in, SWMBO lowered the window. He failed to say anything to us "no good evening sir, i've stopped you because". He just said into the radio "whats wrong with the porsche". The reply was no tax. He inspected the tax disc, and replied onto the radio that it was new yesterday.
He then poked his head through the window and said "Have you just bought the car? "I replied "yes" He replied "you can go"

No apologies for getting their facts wrong or anything like that.

It seems to be clear that the lack of repect given to the police is in part due to the attitudes of officers like this one !

If you're the officer concerned (you know who you are), i'd appreciate a reply

captac007

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

242 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Captac007 said:
Hi all

Just had a little incident with the boys in blue, which if some courtesy had been included, could have been avoided and wouldn't have soured the end to a great day.

SWMBO and i were driving in the Porsche through Tunbridge Wells and saw a police Skoda ahead with its blues on.
I continued slowly towards it, and then this PC lept out mouthing "in you !" I obliged, or rather tried, and failed initially which seemed to annoy him as i pointed behind as a bus was two inches from my bumper. He finally got the message and intstructed the bus to reverse. I then pulled in, SWMBO lowered the window. He failed to say anything to us "no good evening sir, i've stopped you because". He just said into the radio "whats wrong with the porsche". The reply was no tax. He inspected the tax disc, and replied onto the radio that it was new yesterday.
He then poked his head through the window and said "Have you just bought the car? "I replied "yes" He replied "you can go"

No apologies for getting their facts wrong or anything like that.

It seems to be clear that the lack of repect given to the police is in part due to the attitudes of officers like this one !

If you're the officer concerned (you know who you are), i'd appreciate a reply

captac007
That will be an ANPR operation thats flagged you down. If the conversation is as you say then there is no need for the officer not to use some politeness.

Sorry.

I always start politely and thank every person for stopping.

The issue with the officer here may be the volume of cars they pull over and are a waste of time (no tax marker is the least correct). Probably just busy and tired. Does not make you feel any better though.

Politeness goes a long way from all sides.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

242 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Captac007 said:
Hi all

Just had a little incident with the boys in blue, which if some courtesy had been included, could have been avoided and wouldn't have soured the end to a great day.

SWMBO and i were driving in the Porsche through Tunbridge Wells and saw a police Skoda ahead with its blues on.
I continued slowly towards it, and then this PC lept out mouthing "in you !" I obliged, or rather tried, and failed initially which seemed to annoy him as i pointed behind as a bus was two inches from my bumper. He finally got the message and intstructed the bus to reverse. I then pulled in, SWMBO lowered the window. He failed to say anything to us "no good evening sir, i've stopped you because". He just said into the radio "whats wrong with the porsche". The reply was no tax. He inspected the tax disc, and replied onto the radio that it was new yesterday.
He then poked his head through the window and said "Have you just bought the car? "I replied "yes" He replied "you can go"

No apologies for getting their facts wrong or anything like that.

It seems to be clear that the lack of repect given to the police is in part due to the attitudes of officers like this one !

If you're the officer concerned (you know who you are), i'd appreciate a reply

captac007
Did type a reply....

Try again...

Not traffic unit but an ANPR team which is why you flagged up. Common courtesy goes both ways as I always thank every person for stopping and ask the famous "Do you know why I stopped you?".

I can only guess that due to the volume of cars they deal with the officer has cut out all interaction or is just having a bad day.



Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

242 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Now the other reply appears.. how very frustrating.

Jasandjules

72,684 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Now the other reply appears.. how very frustrating.
Better two replies than none.

I've never had an encounter by the roadside with plod which wasn't polite, even when asked where I'd come from, and I couldn't remember !! (Don't you love it when your mind goes blank!).

Wacky Racer

41,412 posts

278 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Now the other reply appears.. how very frustrating.
Simply delete your last two posts.......smile

Easy.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

242 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Now the other reply appears.. how very frustrating.
Simply delete your last two posts.......smile

Easy.
Police officer. Can't go changing what I have written and doctoring what has been written.... wink

slow_poke

1,855 posts

265 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Wacky Racer said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Now the other reply appears.. how very frustrating.
Simply delete your last two posts.......smile

Easy.
Police officer. Can't go changing what I have written and doctoring what has been written.... wink
Why not? Captac007 might be Irish....biggrin

Greendubber

15,387 posts

234 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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There's no real excuse for his poor manners, not very good at all.

Henry-F

4,791 posts

276 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Funnily enough I got a tug from an ANPR team just outside Slough the other day a couple of miles from base. Couldn`t pull into the side road as was in the outside lane with a van on my inside. Gesticulated my intentions to the copper, carried on down the road, round the roundabout then back into the lane and entered across the dual carriageway. I think they were surprised to see me back as no one was waiting

Parked up, got out, spoke to someone who said he`d fetch someone. Dude stops to get a fixed penalty form and starts filling it in as he approached me, (we haven`t spoken at this point). Doesn`t look up, doesn`t ask me any questions just says he`s going to deal with this by way of a fixed penalty notice.

I explained I was driving the 911 Turbo as part of my business and had forgotten to put the trade plates in the car (I didn`t realise it wasn`t taxed when I set off). Before he`d finished writing out the ticket one of my guys turned up with the trade plates so they could see we had spent the £165 and were fully legal & above board.

I chatted to a couple of the self righteous b`stards, sorry officers wink and said I fully supported what they were doing (loads of vehicles being taken away and even a couple of people with outstandings against them being taken away in a van), but didn`t think it was particularly intelligent policing to alienate me with £60 for a simple mistake which was rectified before the ticket was even completed. The only answer I got from the bloke who`d never even bothered to speak to me before writing his ticket was "my boss is sitting in the car over there and I have to write out the ticket".

Well congratulations, you got another number on the tally. The only trouble is you lost the support of a customer. I can`t take my business elsewhere obviously but I can stop helping you. Trees removed from the road with my chainsaw (about 200 yards from where I was dealt with!), vehicle fraudsters sent down, stolen cars located, ditto ringers, burglaries prevented on several occasions, RTA accident victims helped, even cups of tea for officers manning Christmas Drink driving check points.

All a thing of the past, (until I meet a decent copper again and cheer up smile )

I really do wonder sometimes. There are some truly great coppers out there, sadly all their hard work is flushed down the toilet buy ill though out schemes and Normans wearing the uniform who don`t think about the big picture. That fluorescent jacket gives you immense power and has people hanging on your every word because their future freedom might depend on it. Choose those words and the way they are delivered carefully. The punters remember their meeting with you long after you`ve forgotten them.

Henry smile

Lady Ginswigger

72 posts

225 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Henry-F said:
Funnily enough I got a tug from an ANPR team just outside Slough the other day a couple of miles from base. Couldn`t pull into the side road as was in the outside lane with a van on my inside. Gesticulated my intentions to the copper, carried on down the road, round the roundabout then back into the lane and entered across the dual carriageway. I think they were surprised to see me back as no one was waiting

Parked up, got out, spoke to someone who said he`d fetch someone. Dude stops to get a fixed penalty form and starts filling it in as he approached me, (we haven`t spoken at this point). Doesn`t look up, doesn`t ask me any questions just says he`s going to deal with this by way of a fixed penalty notice.

I explained I was driving the 911 Turbo as part of my business and had forgotten to put the trade plates in the car (I didn`t realise it wasn`t taxed when I set off). Before he`d finished writing out the ticket one of my guys turned up with the trade plates so they could see we had spent the £165 and were fully legal & above board.

I chatted to a couple of the self righteous b`stards, sorry officers wink and said I fully supported what they were doing (loads of vehicles being taken away and even a couple of people with outstandings against them being taken away in a van), but didn`t think it was particularly intelligent policing to alienate me with £60 for a simple mistake which was rectified before the ticket was even completed. The only answer I got from the bloke who`d never even bothered to speak to me before writing his ticket was "my boss is sitting in the car over there and I have to write out the ticket".

Well congratulations, you got another number on the tally. The only trouble is you lost the support of a customer. I can`t take my business elsewhere obviously but I can stop helping you. Trees removed from the road with my chainsaw (about 200 yards from where I was dealt with!), vehicle fraudsters sent down, stolen cars located, ditto ringers, burglaries prevented on several occasions, RTA accident victims helped, even cups of tea for officers manning Christmas Drink driving check points.

All a thing of the past, (until I meet a decent copper again and cheer up smile )

I really do wonder sometimes. There are some truly great coppers out there, sadly all their hard work is flushed down the toilet buy ill though out schemes and Normans wearing the uniform who don`t think about the big picture. That fluorescent jacket gives you immense power and has people hanging on your every word because their future freedom might depend on it. Choose those words and the way they are delivered carefully. The punters remember their meeting with you long after you`ve forgotten them.

Henry smile
So, you were a victim of your own stupidity

WildCat

8,369 posts

274 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Lady Ginswigger said:
Henry-F said:
Funnily enough I got a tug from an ANPR team just outside Slough the other day a couple of miles from base. Couldn`t pull into the side road as was in the outside lane with a van on my inside. Gesticulated my intentions to the copper, carried on down the road, round the roundabout then back into the lane and entered across the dual carriageway. I think they were surprised to see me back as no one was waiting

Parked up, got out, spoke to someone who said he`d fetch someone. Dude stops to get a fixed penalty form and starts filling it in as he approached me, (we haven`t spoken at this point). Doesn`t look up, doesn`t ask me any questions just says he`s going to deal with this by way of a fixed penalty notice.

I explained I was driving the 911 Turbo as part of my business and had forgotten to put the trade plates in the car (I didn`t realise it wasn`t taxed when I set off). Before he`d finished writing out the ticket one of my guys turned up with the trade plates so they could see we had spent the £165 and were fully legal & above board.

I chatted to a couple of the self righteous b`stards, sorry officers wink and said I fully supported what they were doing (loads of vehicles being taken away and even a couple of people with outstandings against them being taken away in a van), but didn`t think it was particularly intelligent policing to alienate me with £60 for a simple mistake which was rectified before the ticket was even completed. The only answer I got from the bloke who`d never even bothered to speak to me before writing his ticket was "my boss is sitting in the car over there and I have to write out the ticket".

Well congratulations, you got another number on the tally. The only trouble is you lost the support of a customer. I can`t take my business elsewhere obviously but I can stop helping you. Trees removed from the road with my chainsaw (about 200 yards from where I was dealt with!), vehicle fraudsters sent down, stolen cars located, ditto ringers, burglaries prevented on several occasions, RTA accident victims helped, even cups of tea for officers manning Christmas Drink driving check points.

All a thing of the past, (until I meet a decent copper again and cheer up smile )

I really do wonder sometimes. There are some truly great coppers out there, sadly all their hard work is flushed down the toilet buy ill though out schemes and Normans wearing the uniform who don`t think about the big picture. That fluorescent jacket gives you immense power and has people hanging on your every word because their future freedom might depend on it. Choose those words and the way they are delivered carefully. The punters remember their meeting with you long after you`ve forgotten them.

Henry smile
So, you were a victim of your own stupidity
Perhaps - but then true justice require speaking to person first just in case he made genuine error when in working pressures.

Good manners cost nothing - but have priceless value. wink

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

242 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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WildCat said:
Lady Ginswigger said:
Henry-F said:
Funnily enough I got a tug from an ANPR team just outside Slough the other day a couple of miles from base. Couldn`t pull into the side road as was in the outside lane with a van on my inside. Gesticulated my intentions to the copper, carried on down the road, round the roundabout then back into the lane and entered across the dual carriageway. I think they were surprised to see me back as no one was waiting

Parked up, got out, spoke to someone who said he`d fetch someone. Dude stops to get a fixed penalty form and starts filling it in as he approached me, (we haven`t spoken at this point). Doesn`t look up, doesn`t ask me any questions just says he`s going to deal with this by way of a fixed penalty notice.

I explained I was driving the 911 Turbo as part of my business and had forgotten to put the trade plates in the car (I didn`t realise it wasn`t taxed when I set off). Before he`d finished writing out the ticket one of my guys turned up with the trade plates so they could see we had spent the £165 and were fully legal & above board.

I chatted to a couple of the self righteous b`stards, sorry officers wink and said I fully supported what they were doing (loads of vehicles being taken away and even a couple of people with outstandings against them being taken away in a van), but didn`t think it was particularly intelligent policing to alienate me with £60 for a simple mistake which was rectified before the ticket was even completed. The only answer I got from the bloke who`d never even bothered to speak to me before writing his ticket was "my boss is sitting in the car over there and I have to write out the ticket".

Well congratulations, you got another number on the tally. The only trouble is you lost the support of a customer. I can`t take my business elsewhere obviously but I can stop helping you. Trees removed from the road with my chainsaw (about 200 yards from where I was dealt with!), vehicle fraudsters sent down, stolen cars located, ditto ringers, burglaries prevented on several occasions, RTA accident victims helped, even cups of tea for officers manning Christmas Drink driving check points.

All a thing of the past, (until I meet a decent copper again and cheer up smile )

I really do wonder sometimes. There are some truly great coppers out there, sadly all their hard work is flushed down the toilet buy ill though out schemes and Normans wearing the uniform who don`t think about the big picture. That fluorescent jacket gives you immense power and has people hanging on your every word because their future freedom might depend on it. Choose those words and the way they are delivered carefully. The punters remember their meeting with you long after you`ve forgotten them.

Henry smile
So, you were a victim of your own stupidity
Perhaps - but then true justice require speaking to person first just in case he made genuine error when in working pressures.

Good manners cost nothing - but have priceless value. wink
Good manners cost nothing, however some offences are strict liability and work pressures will not excuse the offence. I'm not suggesting this was the correct or incorrect course to follow, however failing to display road tax or to have trade plates in lieu displayed is a strict liability offence.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

261 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Just a quick question - I will be getting my car delivered to my mates MOT station on Monday after several months of being in a garage having an engine re-build & other stuff.

I SORN'd the car last September when the licence expired as it was still in the garage having the work done.

So my plan was to drive the car back from the MOT station on Monday (after gaining an MOT certificate) to home about 7 miles away, go on-line & pay for a licence. I don't need to drive the car so it can stay there until the disc arrives in the post.

So my question is, am I still allowed to drive to & from an MOT station without the car having a licence?

TIA.

Guybrush

4,364 posts

237 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Henry-F said:
I really do wonder sometimes. There are some truly great coppers out there, sadly all their hard work is flushed down the toilet buy ill though out schemes and Normans wearing the uniform who don`t think about the big picture. That fluorescent jacket gives you immense power and has people hanging on your every word because their future freedom might depend on it. Choose those words and the way they are delivered carefully. The punters remember their meeting with you long after you`ve forgotten them.

Henry smile
Well put. Oh, and it's a shame we're not allowed to make a simple mistake anymore. If the computer says no...the robot pressing the buttons says no...

wiliferus

4,225 posts

229 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Was the officer wearing a black flat cap or a white one.......?

F i F

49,011 posts

282 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Smiler. said:
Just a quick question - I will be getting my car delivered to my mates MOT station on Monday after several months of being in a garage having an engine re-build & other stuff.

I SORN'd the car last September when the licence expired as it was still in the garage having the work done.

So my plan was to drive the car back from the MOT station on Monday (after gaining an MOT certificate) to home about 7 miles away, go on-line & pay for a licence. I don't need to drive the car so it can stay there until the disc arrives in the post.

So my question is, am I still allowed to drive to & from an MOT station without the car having a licence?

TIA.
Yes, you are allowed to drive an insured vehicle to and from a pre-booked MOT test without a valid tax or MOT certificate in force. If the vehicle fails, you are also allowed to drive it away to a place of repair, which can include your home driveway.

you say you are havig it delievered which I assume is on a trailer, even better, as you will have with you to show, if you are stopped, the documentary evidence of just having passed/failed the test.

If a fail, suppose it depends what the fail is as to whether that opens you up to using a defective vehicle under C&U regulations, but I'd say you would be OK. If driving to the test a note made in your own writing of the test appointment would be a start, as long as the route taken is obviously direct to the test and not via Bristol and Edinburgh.

Any issues at the roadside you'd have a clear defence. The police only prosecute you for not displaying a vehicle licence disk, it is the DVLA which prosecutes you for not having tax and using a SORN'd vehicle. But as I say there is a clear dispensation in law to allow you to use the vehicle for what you have suggested.

NobleGuy

7,133 posts

246 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Politeness goes a long way from all sides.
Definitely. I have always been treated well when stopped and see no problem in being nice back. In the end I do have some extreme views on 'the system' and how crap it is, but I don't see the point in giving individual officers abuse.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

248 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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WildCat said:
Perhaps - but then true justice require speaking to person first just in case he made genuine error when in working pressures.
The offence is committed, error or deliberate.
Strangely most will claim simple genuine error whether it be negligent or deliberate.

Wildcat said:
Good manners cost nothing - but have priceless value. wink
That's true.

So in short you should expect to be reported for the offence in a civil/polite manner.

Greendubber

15,387 posts

234 months

Friday 29th February 2008
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So did you get issued with a ticket?, should only be a non endorsable for that so £30 and no points etc.

To be fair, you wont be making that mistake again!