Hit walking on J4 M61 at 4.30 am
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Tributes left on Facebook from all his mates
23 year old died after being in a collision with a Mercedes on the M61 last Sunday - 24th Feb.
Police had been called to the M61. A motorist had reported seeing this man walking along the hard shoulder around J4's exit.
Tragically - they got there just after the collision occurred.
Jordan is described as "always having a smile on his face.. harworking.. caring .. a likeable lad"
Well.. I suppose he was. But still not bright to walk on a motorway though.
But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
Hmmm.. he lived near J4 per the Manchester press. He had been out in Bolton's pub land and then went to a club in neighbouring Farnworth. I suspect he took a chance of a short cut across the motorway.
The driver of the Merc was "uninjure" but in severe shock.
Eh? Shock can kill and is classed these days as SI if you are the victim
But if anyone out there knows or saw how this tragedy came to be.. GMP would like your help per the paper. O161 856 1550 or the normal Crimestopppers number.
23 year old died after being in a collision with a Mercedes on the M61 last Sunday - 24th Feb.
Police had been called to the M61. A motorist had reported seeing this man walking along the hard shoulder around J4's exit.
Tragically - they got there just after the collision occurred.
Jordan is described as "always having a smile on his face.. harworking.. caring .. a likeable lad"
Well.. I suppose he was. But still not bright to walk on a motorway though.
But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
Hmmm.. he lived near J4 per the Manchester press. He had been out in Bolton's pub land and then went to a club in neighbouring Farnworth. I suspect he took a chance of a short cut across the motorway.
The driver of the Merc was "uninjure" but in severe shock.
Eh? Shock can kill and is classed these days as SI if you are the victim
But if anyone out there knows or saw how this tragedy came to be.. GMP would like your help per the paper. O161 856 1550 or the normal Crimestopppers number.
Bing o said:
Mad Moggie2 said:
still not bright to walk on a motorway though.
But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So you don't actually know do you.But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So don't comment without ALL the facts.
Well done for managing to go a whole post without mentioning your children though.
1. A pedestrian was killed whilst walking on the M61.
2. Motorist had reported - police on way to retrieve said ped.. only he had been hit by the Merc by the time they got there.
Quintessential fact
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Highway Code Rule 6 said:
You MUST NOT walk on the motorway or slip roads except in an emergency. Rules 271.275 also apply
Thus not bright to walk on a motorway. Tell me given all your posts about speeding to date. I am pretty sure that if whilst speeding on a motorway - you would not be at all happy if you happened to kill someone who happened to be there illegally - but you get charged with dangerous/careless/inconsiderate whatever.. or do you really think it OK to j-walk on a motorway.F;censored:t
Taking a short cut from Farnworth to cross the M61 to get to Little Hulton at J4 is not an emergency. It seems logical from the facts that he was perhaps a little drunk from his clubbing, wanted to get home and crossed the motorway to do so. But journalese was being probably politically correct.
He was not near a broken down car. There have been reports after the Westhoughton lad was killed doing the same thing that some lads cross this motorway at night "when it's quiet-ish".
Bing o said:
Mad Moggie2 said:
still not bright to walk on a motorway though.
But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So you don't actually know do you.But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So don't comment without ALL the facts.
Well done for managing to go a whole post without mentioning your children though.
- go have another swig or spin of your gin luv.
Or perhaps you think breaking the law is OK for cyclists .. pedestrians but if a driver does so - they deserve a life term in jail.
I have zero sympathy for this man. He chose to walk on a motorway presumably as a short cut. He broke the law. He paid a hefty price - but also damaged another life by doing so... driver of that car.
They are always nice young men though. The driver of that Merc is also a nice person whose family will live with that trauma forever just as the young man's family will. But all the same - choosing to walk across a motorway is an extremely foolishly dangerous choice of action.
I am sure you would not be so sympathetic had this chap strayed into your path whilst cycling though.
Or perhaps you think breaking the law is OK for cyclists .. pedestrians but if a driver does so - they deserve a life term in jail.
I have zero sympathy for this man. He chose to walk on a motorway presumably as a short cut. He broke the law. He paid a hefty price - but also damaged another life by doing so... driver of that car.
They are always nice young men though. The driver of that Merc is also a nice person whose family will live with that trauma forever just as the young man's family will. But all the same - choosing to walk across a motorway is an extremely foolishly dangerous choice of action.
I am sure you would not be so sympathetic had this chap strayed into your path whilst cycling though.
Mad Moggie2 said:
Bing o said:
Mad Moggie2 said:
still not bright to walk on a motorway though.
But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So you don't actually know do you.But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So don't comment without ALL the facts.
Well done for managing to go a whole post without mentioning your children though.
1. A pedestrian was killed whilst walking on the M61.
2. Motorist had reported - police on way to retrieve said ped.. only he had been hit by the Merc by the time they got there.
Quintessential fact
3
Highway Code Rule 6 said:
You MUST NOT walk on the motorway or slip roads except in an emergency. Rules 271.275 also apply
Thus not bright to walk on a motorway. Tell me given all your posts about speeding to date. I am pretty sure that if whilst speeding on a motorway - you would not be at all happy if you happened to kill someone who happened to be there illegally - but you get charged with dangerous/careless/inconsiderate whatever.. or do you really think it OK to j-walk on a motorway.F;censored:t
Taking a short cut from Farnworth to cross the M61 to get to Little Hulton at J4 is not an emergency. It seems logical from the facts that he was perhaps a little drunk from his clubbing, wanted to get home and crossed the motorway to do so. But journalese was being probably politically correct.
He was not near a broken down car. There have been reports after the Westhoughton lad was killed doing the same thing that some lads cross this motorway at night "when it's quiet-ish".
Where is the charge against the motorist? You've not mentioned it previously, and you've not evidenced your source. So why do you suggest that that may happen to me in the same circumstances.
I find it quite offensive that you are making these comments about a dead man without substantiation in the public domain.
Bing o said:
Mad Moggie2 said:
Bing o said:
Mad Moggie2 said:
still not bright to walk on a motorway though.
But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So you don't actually know do you.But it's not known how he came to be on the motorway.
So don't comment without ALL the facts.
Well done for managing to go a whole post without mentioning your children though.
1. A pedestrian was killed whilst walking on the M61.
2. Motorist had reported - police on way to retrieve said ped.. only he had been hit by the Merc by the time they got there.
Quintessential fact
3
Highway Code Rule 6 said:
You MUST NOT walk on the motorway or slip roads except in an emergency. Rules 271.275 also apply
Thus not bright to walk on a motorway. Tell me given all your posts about speeding to date. I am pretty sure that if whilst speeding on a motorway - you would not be at all happy if you happened to kill someone who happened to be there illegally - but you get charged with dangerous/careless/inconsiderate whatever.. or do you really think it OK to j-walk on a motorway.F;censored:t
Taking a short cut from Farnworth to cross the M61 to get to Little Hulton at J4 is not an emergency. It seems logical from the facts that he was perhaps a little drunk from his clubbing, wanted to get home and crossed the motorway to do so. But journalese was being probably politically correct.
He was not near a broken down car. There have been reports after the Westhoughton lad was killed doing the same thing that some lads cross this motorway at night "when it's quiet-ish".
I have not quite worked out how to crop this scan so as to retain the print but block the bloke's photo.
I do not think fair to post up an article naming himn and showing his photo on an internet forum. I received this as a scan from a relative who lives in the Worsley 'burb of Manchester. J4 is her nearest and most direct access to the M61. It appeared in the "Salford Advertisor" of 28 Feb 08 - reporter - Kathryn Ryan. It does not have a web page as far as I know. It is a "free" rag with affiliation to the MEN. I have not yet checked the Bolton News website for a possible link. Not every story appears in the press. This was particular local to this area of "Salford" (inverted commas as folk in Worsley deny belonging to Salford!
) as it concerened a local boy in a local accident. (I got the cheery picker story from the same source. Victim lives around the corner from on of my sisters - and the account was accurate per actual knowledge from the family. Again the piece had photos of the vicitm and the bus driver - and I do not think RIGHT to place their images on an internet chat forum - just to satisfy someone who does not believe the story which admittedly is a newspaper story which is subject to some journalese style.)But J4 has a field on the Plodder Lane side and on the A6 side. Sis thinks he crossed the field to reach the motorway and had crossed one carriageway and was crossing to the other side - based on a floral tribute she saw in the area.
Article says police want anyone who saw him late Saturday or early Sunday to contact so they can piece together what he did.. where he went and how come he ended up walking on the motorway.
Sis says there is a nightclub on the Bolton //Farnwworth border around there and she reckons that's where he had been
I doubt vry much whether a lad walking home from a heavy lads' night out would be on the motorway for some "emergency to do with his car" If he was driving - then after a night in Bolton's clubland per the article - he would have been illegal to drive. But there was NO car One motorist had alerted the police to him. Sadly the Merc hit him JUST BEFORE they got there per this article.
Bing 0 said:
Where is the charge against the motorist? You've not mentioned it previously, and you've not evidenced your source. So why do you suggest that that may happen to me in the same circumstances.
The last time it happened - charges were brought against the driver. Court rejected it. If you read carefully - I said it could happen given there was a death.Bing o said:
I find it quite offensive that you are making these comments about a dead man without substantiation in the public domain.
As said - I have not provided a link to this story because it would identify him in the public domain - so thus it is offensive of you to demand a link which woould name this person. It have not named him - and even if I were to find a link in another paper - I would not post it up - since this would NAME him. Now that would be OFFENSIVE and I think it quite highly offensive for you to want a link which would effectively name him.I have not "offended" him because I have not named him but have commented that the action of walking on a motorway in the dark is not the brightest thing in the world to do. There are also rules of how to behave if your car should break down on the motorway in the Highway Code. I suggest you re-acquaint yourself with this booklet.
I happen to find it offensive that a 20 odd year old who must surely know by virtue of age and being local - that walking across a motorways is
1. against the law (case law being the bloke who helped a driver in distress - but who ended up being arrested when he tried to walk back to his vehicle - which menat walking on the carriageway - allegedly light of traffic at the time.
2. Extremely dangerous to ANOTHER INNOCENT road user who could also have been KILLED or SERIOUSLY INJURED as a result of this action. As it is - driver of that car has a life ruined by this incident. Regardless - people who cause the death of another do not get over it so how it occurs.
3. Not rocket science to work out that he was more than likely rather the worse for wear after his night out - probably why he staggered across the road. But even so - there are social responsibilities here - and one good start would be to go back to licensing hours as the UK does not seem at all able to cope with booze on sale 24 hours per day.
Oh and yes - I support the BMA in the call to make booze dearer and kill the "happy hours and buy 5 bottles for a tenner down the local supermarket" practices. I dare say you find my attitude towards all substance abuse "offensive". But I don't actually give a
I'd rather folk be educated enough to make informed choices and enjoy a more moderate "indulgence" (with the exception of illegal drugs 
) Indulging to oblivion - not a good idea then. 
Jasandjules said:
What on earth was he doing on a Motorway? Was he drunk?
I think based on the scanned article - sadly yes Per the article.. which I am not posting up as it identifies him - and I altered his name above
He'd been in Bolton centre with his mates.. then he left them in the early hours to go to some club in Farnworth. My sister says she does know of a popular night club (not a rough one) on the other side of this motorway - Bolton-Farnworth-Little Hulton and reckons he must have cut across the field to reach the motorway from there as to walk to the J4 roundabout and around it would add about a mile or more to his walk home.
Personally I'd have used a taxi - but maybe he'd run out of cash by this time in fairness to him - knowing what young lads can be like.
But I still say "not bright to walk across motorway". There's enough carnage on the roads down the big 'burb without these incidents caused by some disregard for common sense.
Sgt Bilko said:
1. It was closer to Junction 3 than 4
2. WERE the police on route? Or did they only start to respond once he got hit?
Article in the "Salford Advertisor" as scanned and sent to me (and which I am not posting up nor pasting a link as this identifies the person) said that police had been called before it occurred: motorist had reported the lad walking on the motorway. He had only just been hit when they arrived. But injuries - he died in the ambulance apparently. Very sad that they were just seconds too late though - but they did respond swiftly all the same per this account. Sequence of events must be gutting to those officers who did try their best here.2. WERE the police on route? Or did they only start to respond once he got hit?
almost killed some black guy last year, walking on the road side of an unlit dual carriageway at night wearing dark clothes, spotted him at the last possible moment, if had blinked, he would be very dead
phoned the cops, they were only concerned that I had described him as black, when the correct term was non white or something
people who walk in the road at night instead of walking on the hard shoulder or some other path are somewhat dim even if they do grin / smile all the time
phoned the cops, they were only concerned that I had described him as black, when the correct term was non white or something
people who walk in the road at night instead of walking on the hard shoulder or some other path are somewhat dim even if they do grin / smile all the time
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