Learner done for Due Care, £400 & 6 points
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Whats all this about? Apparently a learner on his fifth lesson lost control, caused a crash. Rear tyre under-pressured may have contributed.
May be more to this, but why was he prosecuted for due care & attention? Isnt the instructer partly responsible?
OTOH if numpty-like incompetance will be punished in future, then OK.
May be more to this, but why was he prosecuted for due care & attention? Isnt the instructer partly responsible?
OTOH if numpty-like incompetance will be punished in future, then OK.
Here we go
bbc said:
An 18-year-old learner driver has admitted driving without due care and attention after an accident in Lincolnshire killed his driving instructor.
David Readman of Beckingham, Nottinghamshire was fined £400 and £55 in costs at Gainsborough Magistrates' Court on Tuesday.
The learner driver was having only his fifth driving lesson with BSM instructor 50-year-old Jeffrey Ward when the accident happened.
They were driving along the A631 at Corringham, near Gainsborough in January this year when the Vauxhall Corsa he was driving veered on to the wrong side of the road and hit a mini bus carrying children with special needs.
Mr Ward from Westwoodside, near Doncaster, in South Yorkshire died at the scene. Several of the children and one of the carers were injured.
Accident investigators said a rear tyre was only partially inflated and this may have made the car more difficult to control.
Mr Readman's solicitor said he felt deep remorse after the accident.
)The instructor is legally in charge of the vehicle and therefore the one who MUST by law be prosecuted, not the learner driver!!! What the F is up with Britains legal system nowadays?? Instructor killed , so get your money from someone who is NOT LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE?? how callous can you get????
JMGS4 said:
The instructor is legally in charge of the vehicle and therefore the one who MUST by law be prosecuted, not the learner driver!!! What the F is up with Britains legal system nowadays?? Instructor killed , so get your money from someone who is NOT LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE?? how callous can you get????
I'm not sure that's quite right. I thought that the driver - even under instruction - was responsible for the vehicle. I'm off to look this up....I'll report back...
So why did the learner plead guilty then? I suspect (as is nearly always the case) that there is more to this than appears in the story above.
Dual control or not, if a learner decides to do something stupid like veering into oncomming traffic at NSL, the instructor isn't realisticly going to have time to react.
Dual control or not, if a learner decides to do something stupid like veering into oncomming traffic at NSL, the instructor isn't realisticly going to have time to react.
Don said:
JMGS4 said:
The instructor is legally in charge of the vehicle and therefore the one who MUST by law be prosecuted, not the learner driver!!! What the F is up with Britains legal system nowadays?? Instructor killed , so get your money from someone who is NOT LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE?? how callous can you get????
I'm not sure that's quite right. I thought that the driver - even under instruction - was responsible for the vehicle. I'm off to look this up....I'll report back...
Thanks, as I last instructed in the UK 30 years ago and it definitely was this way... mind you these legalistic scumbag labourites will change anything to steal more money!!!
Editted coz i iz fikk , and didn't put the answer in the right place!
Any of our friendly PH BiBs comment on this please?
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 20th August 08:53
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Accident investigators said a rear tyre was only partially inflated and this may have made the car more difficult to control.
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Surely then thats the driver instructors fault? I feel sorry for the kid, not so much the fine or the points (tho that is harsh) but I doubt he'll be able to drive for a very long time. I know it took me about a week before I could drive normally after a relatively small accident on a roundabout (someone hit me). I'm still slightly nervous now (nearly a year on).
Stefan
Accident investigators said a rear tyre was only partially inflated and this may have made the car more difficult to control.
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Surely then thats the driver instructors fault? I feel sorry for the kid, not so much the fine or the points (tho that is harsh) but I doubt he'll be able to drive for a very long time. I know it took me about a week before I could drive normally after a relatively small accident on a roundabout (someone hit me). I'm still slightly nervous now (nearly a year on).
Stefan
This is truly insane.
"Police said that in earlier interviews he had said he thought the crash was his fault."
Are they too dumb to put themselves into the position of the learner? Being behind the wheel of a car in which someone died, I reckon there's a fair chance of feeling guilty about it no matter what happened. Especially if you're a poor young lad with no experience.
This makes me so angry. It's purely, yet again, another case of the CPS pursuing a safe conviction because they're too damn lazy to do real work. I hope they feel very satisfied in their smug little worlds.
It seems this was nothing more than an accident. If no one had been hurt, would the learner have been prosecuted? Somehow, I doubt it.
"Police said that in earlier interviews he had said he thought the crash was his fault."
Are they too dumb to put themselves into the position of the learner? Being behind the wheel of a car in which someone died, I reckon there's a fair chance of feeling guilty about it no matter what happened. Especially if you're a poor young lad with no experience.
This makes me so angry. It's purely, yet again, another case of the CPS pursuing a safe conviction because they're too damn lazy to do real work. I hope they feel very satisfied in their smug little worlds.
It seems this was nothing more than an accident. If no one had been hurt, would the learner have been prosecuted? Somehow, I doubt it.
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