Law on reading number plates
Discussion
Can someone point me in the direction of fact concerning the law regarding number plates and readability? I know its mentioned in the Highway code that it should be able to be read from x distance by a Police Officer. I'm not after the size of plate, letters, spacing or such like.
Specifically I need to know whether there is any law relating to number plates being read by humans and then specifically by cctv cameras like ANPR as an example.
I have been so far unable to find any legislation that states that number plates are required to be read by camera/electronic device, and if there is anything that states this, I want to know where I can read it from and from what angle, and distance etc.
Specifically I need to know whether there is any law relating to number plates being read by humans and then specifically by cctv cameras like ANPR as an example.
I have been so far unable to find any legislation that states that number plates are required to be read by camera/electronic device, and if there is anything that states this, I want to know where I can read it from and from what angle, and distance etc.
SS HSV said:
Can someone point me in the direction of fact concerning the law regarding number plates and readability? I know its mentioned in the Highway code that it should be able to be read from x distance by a Police Officer. I'm not after the size of plate, letters, spacing or such like.
Specifically I need to know whether there is any law relating to number plates being read by humans and then specifically by cctv cameras like ANPR as an example.
I have been so far unable to find any legislation that states that number plates are required to be read by camera/electronic device, and if there is anything that states this, I want to know where I can read it from and from what angle, and distance etc.
Think it needs to be readable from 45 degrees(above) - which means many vehicles with bars on the front are on dodgy ground. They also have to be on reflective material (ie not a bit of cardboard etc).Specifically I need to know whether there is any law relating to number plates being read by humans and then specifically by cctv cameras like ANPR as an example.
I have been so far unable to find any legislation that states that number plates are required to be read by camera/electronic device, and if there is anything that states this, I want to know where I can read it from and from what angle, and distance etc.
I'll check for something more solid than that though and come back to you...but in the absence of anything else I'm fairly sure the above is true.
Thats the piece of law I am looking for. The statement that says CCTV cameras are legally required to be able to read number plates. I also need the specifics for doing such, as distance, angle, weather conditions etc.
I have a safety system which is patentable which wish I introduce.
My number plates are (and always have been) legal.
I have a safety system which is patentable which wish I introduce.
My number plates are (and always have been) legal.
SS HSV said:
Thats the piece of law I am looking for. The statement that says CCTV cameras are legally required to be able to read number plates. I also need the specifics for doing such, as distance, angle, weather conditions etc.
I have a safety system which is patentable which wish I introduce.
My number plates are (and always have been) legal.
CCTV doesn't by law have to be able to read number plates.I have a safety system which is patentable which wish I introduce.
My number plates are (and always have been) legal.
What I am saying is that cameras employed by the authorities for the purpose of reading plates, will be so designed that they can read plates that conform to the law.
Von you are very good at this and I appreciate your input here, but I'm after specific legal clarification.
What I am looking for is pointing to a specific act in law that states chapter and verse; "Number plates must be able to be read by CCTV cameras" or words to that effect.
Do you know where is states that?
What I am looking for is pointing to a specific act in law that states chapter and verse; "Number plates must be able to be read by CCTV cameras" or words to that effect.
Do you know where is states that?
SS HSV said:
Von you are very good at this and I appreciate your input here, but I'm after specific legal clarification.
What I am looking for is pointing to a specific act in law that states chapter and verse; "Number plates must be able to be read by CCTV cameras" or words to that effect.
Do you know where is states that?
I don't believe it does.What I am looking for is pointing to a specific act in law that states chapter and verse; "Number plates must be able to be read by CCTV cameras" or words to that effect.
Do you know where is states that?
You need to check out Statutory Instrument 2001 No. 561 The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001, which states [with the possibly relevant text highlighted]:
Further requirements for registration plates
11. - (1) No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters.
(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(3) A registration plate must not be fixed to a vehicle -
(a) by means of a screw, bolt or other fixing device of any type or colour,
(b) by the placing of a screw, bolt or other fixing device in any position, or
(c) in any other manner,
which has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters of the registration mark, which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
Among other things, the regulations specify the size, spacing and arrangement of the characters.
Part 2 specifies that:
1. The plate must be made of reflex-reflecting material which, as regards its construction, colour and other qualities, complies with the requirements of -
(a) the British Standard Specification for reflex-reflecting number plates, published on 11 September 1972 under the number BS AU 145a[14], or
(b) any other relevant standard or specification recognised for use in an EEA State and which, when in use, offers a performance equivalent to that offered by a plate complying with the British Standard specification,
and which, in either case, is marked with the number (or such other information as is necessary to permit identification) of that standard or specification.
Hope this helps.
Streaky
Further requirements for registration plates
11. - (1) No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters.
(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(3) A registration plate must not be fixed to a vehicle -
(a) by means of a screw, bolt or other fixing device of any type or colour,
(b) by the placing of a screw, bolt or other fixing device in any position, or
(c) in any other manner,
which has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters of the registration mark, which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
Among other things, the regulations specify the size, spacing and arrangement of the characters.
Part 2 specifies that:
1. The plate must be made of reflex-reflecting material which, as regards its construction, colour and other qualities, complies with the requirements of -
(a) the British Standard Specification for reflex-reflecting number plates, published on 11 September 1972 under the number BS AU 145a[14], or
(b) any other relevant standard or specification recognised for use in an EEA State and which, when in use, offers a performance equivalent to that offered by a plate complying with the British Standard specification,
and which, in either case, is marked with the number (or such other information as is necessary to permit identification) of that standard or specification.
Hope this helps.
Streaky
thinfourth2 said:
Are we thinking of a electronic type display that is easily read by an mk1 eyeball due to mk1 eyeball having a low scan rate but completely and utterly fecks up eletronic eyes due to them having a higher scan rate and sync issues
An electronically displayed number plate wouldn't conform to the regs for them.DonnyMac said:
streaky said:
(2) ...which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
So you could get PTCOJ if a washing machine cannot read your plate?
While we're on the topic of legal plates, where does the law stand regarding "line text" either above or below the registration number?
I'm referring to the text which sits in in the border. I know the plate manufacturer often includes their company name here, but what about having something else placed here - "I love Mom" or "United Forever"?
I'm referring to the text which sits in in the border. I know the plate manufacturer often includes their company name here, but what about having something else placed here - "I love Mom" or "United Forever"?
Titan Simba said:
While we're on the topic of legal plates, where does the law stand regarding "line text" either above or below the registration number?
I'm referring to the text which sits in in the border. I know the plate manufacturer often includes their company name here, but what about having something else placed here - "I love Mom" or "United Forever"?
Go to 16 (1) of those Regs quoted.I'm referring to the text which sits in in the border. I know the plate manufacturer often includes their company name here, but what about having something else placed here - "I love Mom" or "United Forever"?
dvd
Numberplates have to be readable by photographic means. Simple as that.
Your product could be sold as 'not for road use'
I know that DVLA are now removing VRM's off people if the plate is unreadable by ANPR and it is not corrected within 14 days so beware. Obviously you have to be stopped first though for that to happen but if your are stopped it could be bye bye cherish transfer and no refund!
Your product could be sold as 'not for road use'
I know that DVLA are now removing VRM's off people if the plate is unreadable by ANPR and it is not corrected within 14 days so beware. Obviously you have to be stopped first though for that to happen but if your are stopped it could be bye bye cherish transfer and no refund!
14-7 said:
Numberplates have to be readable by photographic means. Simple as that.
Your product could be sold as 'not for road use'
I know that DVLA are now removing VRM's off people if the plate is unreadable by ANPR and it is not corrected within 14 days so beware. Obviously you have to be stopped first though for that to happen but if your are stopped it could be bye bye cherish transfer and no refund!
Where does it state that? Proof rquired please Your product could be sold as 'not for road use'
I know that DVLA are now removing VRM's off people if the plate is unreadable by ANPR and it is not corrected within 14 days so beware. Obviously you have to be stopped first though for that to happen but if your are stopped it could be bye bye cherish transfer and no refund!
SS HSV said:
14-7 said:
Numberplates have to be readable by photographic means. Simple as that.
Your product could be sold as 'not for road use'
I know that DVLA are now removing VRM's off people if the plate is unreadable by ANPR and it is not corrected within 14 days so beware. Obviously you have to be stopped first though for that to happen but if your are stopped it could be bye bye cherish transfer and no refund!
Where does it state that? Proof rquired please Your product could be sold as 'not for road use'
I know that DVLA are now removing VRM's off people if the plate is unreadable by ANPR and it is not corrected within 14 days so beware. Obviously you have to be stopped first though for that to happen but if your are stopped it could be bye bye cherish transfer and no refund!
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