Vosa and police question
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Right been informed that one of our boys in work was pulled over today by the police and vosa. so a couple of questions because to be fair we are pretty pissed off.
Firstly the vosa guy has removed the mot from the van because of a defective tyre which isnt defective, got it measured at the garage, and we are now going to get independantly tested as it is just on the limit. there is nothing else wrong with the van, so not even a go and sort it out by 7 days even though it is a legal tyre. straight removed the mot from it.
next thing the Vosa guy has recorded down the wrong tyre size of the van, 185/65/15 where its actually 165/55/14. might be judging his credibility on the fact he cant even see. now i personally have no issue with vehicles being removed off the road for being sheds with no mot or a dodgy one, but for a tyre that is on the limit all over,takes the piss a bit.
but what has really pissed us off is the coppers. One knew the boy after he had a non fault accident a few months back, and soon as he saw him wrote out a warrant on the side of the road to search him and the van, so what right do they have to do that? im pretty sure they cant hand write a warrant out to search him and the vehicle can they?
either way will be taking it further and have already lodged a complaint against the vosa guy, with vosa and the lady at vosa sounded concerned this had happened.
dont get me wrong i have no problem with Vosa, they can pull me over and everyone else over and point anything out, i would rather them pulling people over.
any ideas on this one?
Firstly the vosa guy has removed the mot from the van because of a defective tyre which isnt defective, got it measured at the garage, and we are now going to get independantly tested as it is just on the limit. there is nothing else wrong with the van, so not even a go and sort it out by 7 days even though it is a legal tyre. straight removed the mot from it.
next thing the Vosa guy has recorded down the wrong tyre size of the van, 185/65/15 where its actually 165/55/14. might be judging his credibility on the fact he cant even see. now i personally have no issue with vehicles being removed off the road for being sheds with no mot or a dodgy one, but for a tyre that is on the limit all over,takes the piss a bit.
but what has really pissed us off is the coppers. One knew the boy after he had a non fault accident a few months back, and soon as he saw him wrote out a warrant on the side of the road to search him and the van, so what right do they have to do that? im pretty sure they cant hand write a warrant out to search him and the vehicle can they?
either way will be taking it further and have already lodged a complaint against the vosa guy, with vosa and the lady at vosa sounded concerned this had happened.
dont get me wrong i have no problem with Vosa, they can pull me over and everyone else over and point anything out, i would rather them pulling people over.
any ideas on this one?
Don't want to shoot you down here matey but are you sure you are getting the full facts? If your 'boy' was given a Stop/Search form it will have the reason for the search plus brief circs. Also, did VOSA make him put the spare on? This might account for the size difference? I have had dealings with VOSA in the past and have found them to be very professional, experienced and fair.
If he's been stop searched under PACE, the officer should have told your lad why he was being stop searched - Reason/Grounds for the search etc, what section of law he was using to search, who he was, where he was stationed etc.
I don't think you're getting the full facts as the middle-man.
I don't think you're getting the full facts as the middle-man.
the van has 165 tyres all around having a 185 would be illegal because you have to have matching tyre sizes on each axle, so if we had a 185 spare on then it would be even worse.
the police havnt written a reason for stop and search on the stop and search form, but the boy was told he was being stopped and searched in belief he had a baseball bat!!!! you couldnt make it up, why would they even think that, and why a baseball bat specifically??? and they havnt even put that down on the stop and search form.
its getting better now.
vosa have asked us to go back up to the guy and show him the tyre mistake. this is where it gets really good, if we went up in the van we would have had the prohabition qaushed there and then, but if we drove the van up with a prohabition order on it, we would of got fined for it.
and the police are now coming to see us aswell apparently.
also found out, that a few other people were stop who werent white british, had there tanks dipped and that was it, they then let them go, but out boy who is white british was held for almost an hour and everything checked on the van. (and no im not pulling the race card, because i hate people who pull the race card its far to easy to pull just seems a bit strange to do the above)
the police havnt written a reason for stop and search on the stop and search form, but the boy was told he was being stopped and searched in belief he had a baseball bat!!!! you couldnt make it up, why would they even think that, and why a baseball bat specifically??? and they havnt even put that down on the stop and search form.
its getting better now.
vosa have asked us to go back up to the guy and show him the tyre mistake. this is where it gets really good, if we went up in the van we would have had the prohabition qaushed there and then, but if we drove the van up with a prohabition order on it, we would of got fined for it.
and the police are now coming to see us aswell apparently.
also found out, that a few other people were stop who werent white british, had there tanks dipped and that was it, they then let them go, but out boy who is white british was held for almost an hour and everything checked on the van. (and no im not pulling the race card, because i hate people who pull the race card its far to easy to pull just seems a bit strange to do the above)
im just relaying whats been said to me. im just finding it strange for him to have a pace search for no reason, then having the vans mot taken off it, then saying the prohabition will be taken back off it. seems strange.
like i said i have no probs with vosa, i would rather seem them out pulling in defective cars and getting rid of them or getting them sorted out. i also find it strange he had a full roadside mot, told the tyre was defective, yet on the print out there is no measurements written down of why the tyre was defective, yet others were having tanks dipped and let go
like i said i have no probs with vosa, i would rather seem them out pulling in defective cars and getting rid of them or getting them sorted out. i also find it strange he had a full roadside mot, told the tyre was defective, yet on the print out there is no measurements written down of why the tyre was defective, yet others were having tanks dipped and let go
pits said:
Firstly the vosa guy has removed the mot from the van because of a defective tyre which isnt defective, got it measured at the garage, and we are now going to get independantly tested as it is just on the limit.
Did you get the garage to change the tyre? If it's "right on the limit" today it won't be tomorrow.pits said:
im just relaying whats been said to me. im just finding it strange for him to have a pace search for no reason, then having the vans mot taken off it, then saying the prohabition will be taken back off it. seems strange.
like i said i have no probs with vosa, i would rather seem them out pulling in defective cars and getting rid of them or getting them sorted out. i also find it strange he had a full roadside mot, told the tyre was defective, yet on the print out there is no measurements written down of why the tyre was defective, yet others were having tanks dipped and let go
He hasn't had a full MOT though.like i said i have no probs with vosa, i would rather seem them out pulling in defective cars and getting rid of them or getting them sorted out. i also find it strange he had a full roadside mot, told the tyre was defective, yet on the print out there is no measurements written down of why the tyre was defective, yet others were having tanks dipped and let go
He has been stopped because they wanted to check his vehicle for defects/offences. They did that. They didn't remove his MOT, that's not what a PG9 is.
The Police officer also decided he had reasonable grounds to search the vehicle. He should have told him what he was searching for & why he wanted to do it.
pits said:
I fail to see whats reasonable about them thinking he has a baseball bat.
That rather depends what the reasonable grounds are. You don't have any idea what they are claimed to be, so you are not in a position of strength to say whether they are reasonable or not.pits said:
yes we had the tyre changed straight away, and we still have the tyre that was taken off.
and we were told for the van to go back on the road it needs a new full mot done on it.
What sort of form was he given for the tyre.and we were told for the van to go back on the road it needs a new full mot done on it.
It's probably the defect must be certified as fixed at a MOT testing centre, not it needs a full MOT.
pits said:
I fail to see whats reasonable about them thinking he has a baseball bat.
How about... they had just been told over the radio that someone nearby had been threatened with baseball bat. The person responsible left the scene in a van similar to the one that your colleague was driving?Edited by Cat on Tuesday 8th July 15:56
left in a distinctvly sign written van, yeh sounds real likely.
and had the tire tested now, report 1.63mm all around apart from 2 spots on the edge where its 1.39mm....now correct me if im wrong, but the tyre must 1.6mm over the central 3/4 of the tyre. making that tyre legal.
we have to go and pay for a new mot tomorow, the previous is only 3 months old!
then a fair drive down to cardiff to get the prohabition taken off it, then send a letter off then to get the van back on the road for 0.2mm in 2 very tiny spots!
and had the tire tested now, report 1.63mm all around apart from 2 spots on the edge where its 1.39mm....now correct me if im wrong, but the tyre must 1.6mm over the central 3/4 of the tyre. making that tyre legal.
we have to go and pay for a new mot tomorow, the previous is only 3 months old!
then a fair drive down to cardiff to get the prohabition taken off it, then send a letter off then to get the van back on the road for 0.2mm in 2 very tiny spots!
pits said:
left in a distinctvly sign written van, yeh sounds real likely.
and had the tire tested now, report 1.63mm all around apart from 2 spots on the edge where its 1.39mm....now correct me if im wrong, but the tyre must 1.6mm over the central 3/4 of the tyre. making that tyre legal.
we have to go and pay for a new mot tomorow, the previous is only 3 months old!
then a fair drive down to cardiff to get the prohabition taken off it, then send a letter off then to get the van back on the road for 0.2mm in 2 very tiny spots!
How are you going to prove the tyre you've had tested was the same one that VOSA tested at the roadside?and had the tire tested now, report 1.63mm all around apart from 2 spots on the edge where its 1.39mm....now correct me if im wrong, but the tyre must 1.6mm over the central 3/4 of the tyre. making that tyre legal.
we have to go and pay for a new mot tomorow, the previous is only 3 months old!
then a fair drive down to cardiff to get the prohabition taken off it, then send a letter off then to get the van back on the road for 0.2mm in 2 very tiny spots!
Unless VOSA put some hidden marker on it, they'll just say it's a different tyre, or that it's almost illegal anyway and the driver would not have gotten home on it.
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