First Aid at Accident Scene?
Discussion
Just a thought here and a change from the usual Speed and Nip questions.
Most of us on here either drive or ride motorcycles everyday i suspect.
If you were unfortunate enough to come across a serious accident say,involving a Motorcyclist who was unconcious,would you know what to do next, after you have called the Emergency services to the scene?
Do you know and understand the basic life saving techniques?
Please be honest in your answers and in the next few days i will post the definitive answer (if anyone is interested).
Most of us on here either drive or ride motorcycles everyday i suspect.
If you were unfortunate enough to come across a serious accident say,involving a Motorcyclist who was unconcious,would you know what to do next, after you have called the Emergency services to the scene?
Do you know and understand the basic life saving techniques?
Please be honest in your answers and in the next few days i will post the definitive answer (if anyone is interested).
tonyrec said:
Just a thought here and a change from the usual Speed and Nip questions.
Most of us on here either drive or ride motorcycles everyday i suspect.
If you were unfortunate enough to come across a serious accident say,involving a Motorcyclist who was unconcious,would you know what to do next, after you have called the Emergency services to the scene?
Do you know and understand the basic life saving techniques?
Please be honest in your answers and in the next few days i will post the definitive answer (if anyone is interested).
yes first aid trained.
was in security industry as well working flexy hours on the other side.
seen some messy roof jumbs in my time
DON'T REMOVE THEIR HELMET 
where can i learn ????
tonyrec said:
Just a thought here and a change from the usual Speed and Nip questions.
Most of us on here either drive or ride motorcycles everyday i suspect.
If you were unfortunate enough to come across a serious accident say,involving a Motorcyclist who was unconcious,would you know what to do next, after you have called the Emergency services to the scene?
Do you know and understand the basic life saving techniques?
Please be honest in your answers and in the next few days i will post the definitive answer (if anyone is interested).
I would add I have been taught to call the services first as you say, before aid is given, even if they are not breathing.
Mouth to mouth etc if required thats the only time you remove the helmet if you can't get access the mouth.
Don't move the causualty unless absolutly neccesary. Any wounds are compressed, that is a suitable bandage be it a T shirt etc placed on a wound and held in place. That gets bloody then another placed on top of the old one. Wait till the emergency seviceses arrive. Recovery position if pos.
Forgot to mention speak to them if poss, asses where it hurts if they can speak. Keep talking to them until proper help arrives
>> Edited by jmorgan on Saturday 6th September 23:10
tonyrec said:
Outlaw.....we both have something in common.....both on 1000 posts.
Congratulations mate.
lol
puting them in the recovery positions a doggy one.
if there a busted neck.
my personal view is brase the neck with a jumper or some thing and only mover to recovery position if needed.
by that just my view.
as for leathers and helmet leave em where they are the leathers may be holding them togeather
and removing the lid could do more spinal damage.
how ever if they want breathing and or with out a pulse.
and the aberlance want showing sighs of getting there dam quick.
i would proble risk removing helmet if it was a full face to give mouth to mouth and or heart comprestions too them.
as i do know how too
>> Edited by outlaw on Saturday 6th September 23:09
If they're a-hollering let 'em be. They're breathing and conscious. If they're silent, check 'em out.
If the vehicle is on fire, to h*ll with the possibility of broken bones (including spinal) and get 'em the heck out of there ... if you do not needlessly endanger yourself or others thereby.
I have attended a number of RTAs and too many race track accidents to remember. But I will never forget watching Paul (Hawkeye) Hawkins trapped in a blazing car between Island and Esso (now Shell) Bends at Oulton Park with all of us powerless to do anything to get him out. 40 gallons of fuel (he'd just refuelled) burning in a car that was on a higher elevation than we could reach versus three 40lb dry powder and three 40lb foam extinguishers is no contest
If the vehicle is on fire, to h*ll with the possibility of broken bones (including spinal) and get 'em the heck out of there ... if you do not needlessly endanger yourself or others thereby.
I have attended a number of RTAs and too many race track accidents to remember. But I will never forget watching Paul (Hawkeye) Hawkins trapped in a blazing car between Island and Esso (now Shell) Bends at Oulton Park with all of us powerless to do anything to get him out. 40 gallons of fuel (he'd just refuelled) burning in a car that was on a higher elevation than we could reach versus three 40lb dry powder and three 40lb foam extinguishers is no contest
I know the recovery positions etc. but am not a qualified first aider.
I had heard that if you attend the scene of an accident and start doing 'first aid' but are not a qualified to do so you could get sued if you muck things up. Is this the case? i.e. whats ths situation with bystanders helping?
I had heard that if you attend the scene of an accident and start doing 'first aid' but are not a qualified to do so you could get sued if you muck things up. Is this the case? i.e. whats ths situation with bystanders helping?
tonyrec said:
Please be honest in your answers and in the next few days i will post the definitive answer (if anyone is interested).
Right, I just came across this thread and am answering without having read what anyone else has said so lets see how I do.
This is such an tangled subject.
FIRST I would make sure that me approaching the accident victim(s) would not cause a further incident. (this is an old boy scout routine - don't turn yourself into a victim). If you are the only person at an accident site you have to try and warn approaching motorists, if you are not alone get a friend or someone else at the scene to warn on coming traffic.
Assuming it was safe to approach the victim, and we are looking at an motorcycle incident here.
Make a quick assement of who you are likely to have a chance of saving. eg bike man might be under the wheels of a lorry whilst lorry driver is hangin out of the windscreen with a lacerated ventricula... hmmmm... but lets just run with a motorcycle victim.
Make sure any engines aren't running and no one is smoking.
Ascetain someone has called the emergency services- we said that already...
STOP the general public from doing stupid shit like taking the helmet off or moving the victim.
If the victim is concious than it takes a different line - but you said the victime is unconciuos. So...
Make sure he's got a pulse and is breathing. At all costs try to avoid removing his helmet. But if he has not got a pulse and is not breathing then I would remove the helmet and attempt resucitation. Trying hardest to move him as little as possible.
Secondly, take real care about spilled battery acid ect - it f**king stings.
I think thats about it.
Ex
Can't wait to see what eveyone else comes up with!
>> Edited by THeExcession on Saturday 6th September 23:38
Damn It - and now I read everyone else going on about bleeding. Hell yeah - do your damned hardest to stop any bleeding!
Are tourniquets (sp) sill legal?
Dead interested in what Tony is gonna say...
>> Edited by THeExcession on Saturday 6th September 23:44
Did I mention the recovery position? only as last resort. Peronaly I wouldn't leave an accident victim until the services arrived and whilst they were breathing I wouldn't allow them to move. Especially a bike accident
>> Edited by THeExcession on Saturday 6th September 23:48
Well I know about not removing leathers and helmet from bikers but otherwise not much, Have got first aid kit in both cars but not much idea of what to do with'em.
Suppose it's one of those things that many people don't know probably because they've never needed to, maybe some sort of basic 'training' should be taught to all, perhaps as part of the driving test.
Suppose it's one of those things that many people don't know probably because they've never needed to, maybe some sort of basic 'training' should be taught to all, perhaps as part of the driving test.
I would make sure they were ok, but I wouldn't touch them unless there was immediate danger and someone about to validate the fact.
I have heard too many stories of someone trying to adminster first aid without knowing exactly what to do, hence causing more damage.
I have also heard far too many stories of people suing the helper because of conditions becoming worse
I have heard too many stories of someone trying to adminster first aid without knowing exactly what to do, hence causing more damage.
I have also heard far too many stories of people suing the helper because of conditions becoming worse
mungo said:
This is a subject that has been on my mind today!
I used some very basic first aid techniques learned years and years ago...
Was walking through town to HMV for a cd today and someone just collapsed on the floor in front of me and had a fit of some kind. At first I kind of just stood there and looked wandering what to do - Then, as several other people joined me, remembered the recovery position so put him in that and held his arms in to him so he couldn't injure himself whilst fitting (they say you have to wait for the person to stop fitting) - One of the other guys who stopped wanted to check his airway was free by putting his hand in his mouth to check his tongue - Not sure if I was right or wrong but I stopped him just in case he bit his finger off in his fit.
Someone had called an ambulance and he eventually stopped fitting so we just stayed with him until the ambulance arrived.
The whole incident has reminded me how important first aid is to know and has kind of prompted me to go on another course again.
Edited to add= I may have been wrong in my actions but it's what I could remember from first aider training years and years ago... this is why I now want to update them
>> Edited by mungo on Sunday 7th September 00:27
every fool tys sking some thing down there throte.
can cause imjury.
if some ones havuing a fit dont panick dont ram some thing in the gob.
just move anything out of the way that could harm them and try not to let em smak there head on some thing
THeExcession said:
Please be honest in your answers and in the next few days i will post the definitive answer (if anyone is interested).
Right, I just came across this thread and am answering without having read what anyone else has said so lets see how I do.
This is such an tangled subject.
FIRST I would make sure that me approaching the accident victim(s) would not cause a further incident. (this is an old boy scout routine - don't turn yourself into a victim). If you are the only person at an accident site you have to try and warn approaching motorists, if you are not alone get a friend or someone else at the scene to warn on coming traffic.
Assuming it was safe to approach the victim, and we are looking at an motorcycle incident here.
Make a quick assement of who you are likely to have a chance of saving. eg bike man might be under the wheels of a lorry whilst lorry driver is hangin out of the windscreen with a lacerated ventricula... hmmmm... but lets just run with a motorcycle victim.
Make sure any engines aren't running and no one is smoking.
Ascetain someone has called the emergency services- we said that already...
STOP the general public from doing stupid shit like taking the helmet off or moving the victim.
If the victim is concious than it takes a different line - but you said the victime is unconciuos. So...
Make sure he's got a pulse and is breathing. At all costs try to avoid removing his helmet. But if he has not got a pulse and is not breathing then I would remove the helmet and attempt resucitation. Trying hardest to move him as little as possible.
Secondly, take real care about spilled battery acid ect - it f**king stings.
I think thats about it.
Ex
Can't wait to see what eveyone else comes up with!
>> Edited by THeExcession on Saturday 6th September 23:38
Damn It - and now I read everyone else going on about bleeding. Hell yeah - do your damned hardest to stop any bleeding!
Are tourniquets (sp) sill legal?
Dead interested in what Tony is gonna say...
>> Edited by THeExcession on Saturday 6th September 23:44
Did I mention the recovery position? only as last resort. Peronaly I wouldn't leave an accident victim until the services arrived and whilst they were breathing I wouldn't allow them to move. Especially a bike accident
>> Edited by THeExcession on Saturday 6th September 23:48
the original post dont metion any bleadding so i dident metion it.
forget tourniquets they are useless and do no end of damage
as atories are next to the bone so to us one you have to crush every thing down to them.
do not ever try using one
leav them for the battel feild.
most bleeding can be stoped by applying prusure.
if there something in the wound do not pull it out it may be plugging an artory.
leav it there and aplly prusure around it as best as you can
they ony pratical way to stop or rather slow down a major bleed from an atory is from the preassur points
ie like behind the kneee where the atory is near the serface.
and dont just think because theres a lot of blood that an atorry is open.
your know if a main one cut from the fountin
the one in the neck can jet 8ft
docevi1 said:
I would make sure they were ok, but I wouldn't touch them unless there was immediate danger and someone about to validate the fact.
I have heard too many stories of someone trying to adminster first aid without knowing exactly what to do, hence causing more damage.
I have also heard far too many stories of people suing the helper because of conditions becoming worse
i once watched some crazy woman stop a guys heart that dident know what fhuck she was doing.
he had a heart attack in busy club.
he had a pulse so no need for chest comprestion. I know i checked.
some big fat cow come running over saying she is a nurse.
then starts thumping the old boy in the chest like in the movies.
you never do that it wont do nothing except posible break a few ribs.
me and another guy tryed stoping her, but they noone would lisen.
his relatives belivet the fat cow.
so we gave up result
after that his pulse stoped and abmerlance avived later but they could not resus him.
the guy died. he may have had a chance other wise
his heart was still beating he had just stoped breathing and needed mouth too mouth.
and his pulse monitoring after each set of breaths too see if he still had a pulse.
if not and only then do you start chest compretions.
and only if you know how.
and it aint easy after a few min you we be nackerd
its a lot easyer if theres two peeps doing it that know how
never ever try resus some one from what you seen on tv.
you only ever give heart compressions if you know the heart has stoped
or may well stop it your self
moral of the story is dont do anything if you dont know what your doinng.
>> Edited by outlaw on Sunday 7th September 02:08
There are some really good questions and answers here and i will answer them all in the next few days.
Sticking with the original question....i didnt stress that he was not bleeding, just him lying in the road beside his bike and the fact that he is unconcious and not breathing (or so you think).
I was thinking more about the ABC of Resuscitation (CPR) !
>> Edited by tonyrec on Sunday 7th September 11:51
Sticking with the original question....i didnt stress that he was not bleeding, just him lying in the road beside his bike and the fact that he is unconcious and not breathing (or so you think).
I was thinking more about the ABC of Resuscitation (CPR) !
>> Edited by tonyrec on Sunday 7th September 11:51
I do not know what to do. Very worrying as I was a witness to an accident recently and I felt very helpless.
I WILL go on some training at some point as after I have called the Emergency Services I'd like to know what the hell to do to keep people alive for the few minutes necessary.
In the meantime Outlaw's advice - Do nothing if you don't know what to do - seems like the best plan for me...
Good thread, tonyrec.
I WILL go on some training at some point as after I have called the Emergency Services I'd like to know what the hell to do to keep people alive for the few minutes necessary.
In the meantime Outlaw's advice - Do nothing if you don't know what to do - seems like the best plan for me...
Good thread, tonyrec.
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