smoking in your personal van

[DucatiGary]

now, seen this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7524526.stm

thing that got me thinking was this

article said:

Mr Williams was driving on the A487 near Aberystwyth in his unmarked blue Suzuki Carrier van when he was pulled over by council officials carrying out spot checks on the safety of vehicles

not being funny but council pen pushers can now pull you over too?

why cant these morons get a propper job?

[rewc]

DucatiGary said:

now, seen this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7524526.stm

thing that got me thinking was this

article said:

Mr Williams was driving on the A487 near Aberystwyth in his unmarked blue Suzuki Carrier van when he was pulled over by council officials carrying out spot checks on the safety of vehicles

not being funny but council pen pushers can now pull you over too?

why cant these morons get a propper job?

This sums up all that is wrong with British 'justice'.

they bring in a law for what on the surface appears a sensible reason and then prosecute at the lowest level whilst major trangressors get away with it.
Typical examples are litter laws where people have been prosecuted for trivial reasons but travellers can invade a car park and leave it with tons of rubbish with no action against them.

[Glassman]

DucatiGary said:

not being funny but council pen pushers can now pull you over too?

I wouldn't stop for 'em.

Unless they have company

[Einion Yrth]

Glassman said:

DucatiGary said:

not being funny but council pen pushers can now pull you over too?

I wouldn't stop for 'em.

Particularly if they were in front of the vehicle.

[voyds9]

I believe there is an exemption for the 'works' van if it issued to one person and only one person ever uses it.

[miniman]

Was just about to post about this having heard it on the radio this morning. What an absolute nonsense. How do we rid ourselves of these interfering busybodies whose wages we actually pay for? To think that there are actually council officials with nothing better to do than fine someone for smoking in their own vehicle is abhorrent.

[rsv gone!]

My sister is a driving instructor and she's had to put no-smoking signs up in her car (even though nobody would ever have a chance of doing so in her car).

[supermono]

It seems a bit daft to me. I didn't want to be forced to breathe in filth from people in the pub/restaurant who didn't have the sense to realise people didn't want to breathe their filth. So it had to be made illegal -- alright would have been nicer if so much money didn't need spending doing laws and all, but there you are it was the only way.

Now I'm reading about someone and his mate in a van, both happily smoking, doing nobody and harm but themselves and they're on the wrong end of this law?

WTF?

Especially when you hear some moronic council gimp is handing out fines/stopping traffic.

How could they have got this law so wrong?

Ahh, by being a Labour gubmint, that's how...

SM

[dirkgently]

miniman said:

How do we rid ourselves of these interfering busybodies whose wages we actually pay for? To think that there are actually council officials with nothing better to do than fine someone for smoking in their own vehicle is abhorrent.

By smacking them in the mouth every time you run into them. HTH

Edited by dirkgently on Friday 25th July 08:57

[rewc]

The non smoking law has led to pubs having cleaner air inside than outside. It is now impossible to sit outside in the beer garden as every other person is smoking. If anything it has eposed children to more smoke.

[Holmesian]

As bad as busy-bodies stopping you hunting on your own land.

This country has lost its way.

Jobsworths abound, the feckless proliferate, the law has become homogenised and often not fit for purpose and we all think that if we make enough fuss we can impose rules on everyone else - we can but in creating such a circumstance we find ourselves imposed upon by others doing what we ourselves do unto others and with each imposition we grip our own throats harder choking the joy of living out of us all.

Top ten nation for wealth, bottom ten nation for happiness.

[Andy Zarse]

One has to learn how to play these parasites at their own game. So far as I'm aware, they have no powers of detention. And you should refuse to give them any details. You could also try and trick them into lying about the limits of their powers, they're so puffed up on their own self-importance it shouldn't be too hard. Try to record any conversation. Ultimately, all they can do is trace the RK/van owner through the DVLA. I think I'm right in saying S.172 does not apply to this offence. You know the rest...

Edited by Andy Zarse on Friday 25th July 10:17

[Cpn Jack Spanner]

Andy Zarse said:

One has to learn how to play these parasites at their own game. So far as I'm aware, they have no powers of detention. And you should refuse to give them any details. You could also try and trick them into lying about the limits of their powers, they're so puffed up on their own self-importance it shouldn't be too hard. Try to record any conversation. Ultimately, all they can do is trace the RK/van owner through the DVLA. I think I'm right in saying S.172 does not apply to this offence. You know the rest...

Edited by Andy Zarse on Friday 25th July 10:17

You mean like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqpuVetLeo

[The Black Duke]

Reading quickly through this post, I couldn't agree more with the OP. I read the news article and it really made my blood boil. As mentioned before the law was introduced to protect third parties from breathing in the smoke of other (passive smoking). Whilst this is a good thing it has encouraged those with little or no common sense to disregard the original aim of the law which inturn drags out the vengful basterd who has always had this axe to grind against smokers. They manipulate badly worded and vague legislation to persue an agenda which in realty is only in their own intrest and certainly not the public who pay their wages.

PS I am a hardened non smoker. I beleieve in choice and I think this government is so infatuated with looking good they are slowly eroding our personal choices and and expelling the need for common sense.

[wolves_wanderer]

rewc said:

The non smoking law has led to pubs having cleaner air inside than outside. It is now impossible to sit outside in the beer garden as every other person is smoking. If anything it has eposed children to more smoke.

Think of the children!! Never mind all the crap that comes out of buses and lorries as they walk down the road, the real threat is people smoking outside. Yep.

[The Black Duke]

wolves_wanderer said:

rewc said:

The non smoking law has led to pubs having cleaner air inside than outside. It is now impossible to sit outside in the beer garden as every other person is smoking. If anything it has eposed children to more smoke.

Think of the children!! Never mind all the crap that comes out of buses and lorries as they walk down the road, the real threat is people smoking outside. Yep.

I don't think children should be in a pub either. Even the beer garden. But don't knock me for this, its my oppinion and I would not enforce it on anyone.

[wolves_wanderer]

The Black Duke said:

wolves_wanderer said:

rewc said:

The non smoking law has led to pubs having cleaner air inside than outside. It is now impossible to sit outside in the beer garden as every other person is smoking. If anything it has eposed children to more smoke.

Think of the children!! Never mind all the crap that comes out of buses and lorries as they walk down the road, the real threat is people smoking outside. Yep.

I don't think children should be in a pub either. Even the beer garden. But don't knock me for this, its my oppinion and I would not enforce it on anyone.

agreed

[Andy Zarse]

Maybe the landlord, or indeed the van's owner, could be permitted to chose who smokes in his garden/van? Is that so unreasonable?

Oops sorry, I forgot, we live under Nu-labor's socialist authoritarian diktat where personal choice and the exercise of common sense ist vorbotten. You must obey!

[big hair]

do you have to stop/pull over for non police units? Do they have any powers to force you to stop or can you ignore them?

[bazking69]

I hope the guy refuses to pay the fine and takes it to court who should make the imbecile who issued the ticket stand up and explain to all why.
If the guy wants to smoke in his personal van that that is his choice, and no jobsworth should be challenging that.
Just sums up our country. Very valid point about people getting fined for dropping a fag butt out of their window while pikeys are free to break and enter, trespass and fly tip huge quantities of rubbish right in front of coppers totally unchallenged...