D*mned irrespon cyclists should be shot...........
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Had one of these idiots last saturday, riding with one jhand on the 'bars, other hand holding a large bunch of flowers, RIDING ON THE PAVEMENT of course, turns onto the zebra without stopping or looking. Needless to say I've already noted his idiocy and had the foot "hovering" stopped without a problem but sharply and gave him a ticking off. The b***ard then tried to kick the car, threatens me, so to defuse the situation I drive off.
SO, this morning I get a letter from the GiG (girl in green in this case!) saying I had endangered the tw@ and would I appear at the copshop to give my version.......
Waiting to say what the GiG here say about an adult 35yo approx riding on the pavement, wiithout proper control, without looking, biking on a pedestrian crossing, threatening behaviour, attempted damage to personal belongings, etc.........
I'll keep you all posted.........
SO, this morning I get a letter from the GiG (girl in green in this case!) saying I had endangered the tw@ and would I appear at the copshop to give my version.......
Waiting to say what the GiG here say about an adult 35yo approx riding on the pavement, wiithout proper control, without looking, biking on a pedestrian crossing, threatening behaviour, attempted damage to personal belongings, etc.........
I'll keep you all posted.........
Muppet cyclist. Good luck with this one.
I despair at the way some cyclists treat the road, pavement, and anywhere else they choose as their own. Many have decided the highway code does not apply to them and regularly cycle straight through red traffic lights etc.
I was actually hit by a cyclist the other day, whilst crossing the road, as he turned into a one-way street, going the wrong way, and I was of course only looking to see if anything was coming in the proper direction of travel.
Cyclists are the first to moan about the treatment they receive at the hands of drivers, and whilst much of this is entirely justified, they ain't doing themselves any favours by riding around like idiots, ignoring road signs and traffic lights.
I despair at the way some cyclists treat the road, pavement, and anywhere else they choose as their own. Many have decided the highway code does not apply to them and regularly cycle straight through red traffic lights etc.
I was actually hit by a cyclist the other day, whilst crossing the road, as he turned into a one-way street, going the wrong way, and I was of course only looking to see if anything was coming in the proper direction of travel.
Cyclists are the first to moan about the treatment they receive at the hands of drivers, and whilst much of this is entirely justified, they ain't doing themselves any favours by riding around like idiots, ignoring road signs and traffic lights.
I was on my push iron (not one of these lightweight things for poofs) on Sunday morning waiting to turn right at a junction and a tw@t in an Espace goes past me at about 50 in a 30 with his wheels on the pavement. Still he never actually touched me so I should be grateful right.
The world is full of prats, in cars, on bikes, driving taxi's and police cars and on push irons. If you take a pessemistic view of the world you usually can avoid hitting these numpties.
The world is full of prats, in cars, on bikes, driving taxi's and police cars and on push irons. If you take a pessemistic view of the world you usually can avoid hitting these numpties.
thanuk said:The HC says:
The Highway Code says you have to stop for pedestrians at a crossing so I'd assume that means you don't have to stop for cyclists?
Crossing the road
64 Do not ride across a pelican, puffin or zebra crossing. Dismount and wheel your cycle across.
However, this is NOT in red so it is not law. It goes on:
"65 Toucan crossings. These are light-controlled crossings which allow cyclists and pedestrians to cross at the same time. They are push button operated. Pedestrians and cyclists will see the green signal together. Cyclists are permitted to ride across.
66 Cycle-only crossings. Cycle tracks on opposite sides of the road may be linked by signalled crossings. You may ride across but you MUST NOT cross until the green cycle symbol is showing.
Only this last 'code' is law.
However, the HC also states:
53 You MUST NOT
* carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
* hold on to a moving vehicle or trailer
* ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner
* ride when under the influence of drink or drugs.
Law RTA 1988 sects 24, 26, 28, 29 & 30 as amended by RTA 1991
54 You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Do not leave your cycle where it would endanger or obstruct road users or pedestrians, for example, lying on the pavement. Use cycle parking facilities where provided. Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A sect 129
55 You MUST NOT cross the stop line when the traffic lights are red. Some junctions have an advanced stop line to enable you to position yourself ahead of other traffic (see Rule 154). Laws RTA 1988 sect 36, TSRGD reg 10
So it looks as though there is a case for the cyclist to answer in some respects, although not in regard to cycling across the pedestrian crossing.
Streaky
Car vs Bikes ? I don't think I'm ever gonna cycle to work in my suit 33 miles across the Runcorn bridge in the snow and ice, so I really don't see the bike winning. However, since my son (10 years old) passed his cyling proficiency I have taken to riding with him on short local journeys in order to provide some post pass instruction. This is because the teacher passed all the children and she has never actually riden a bike in her life.
At the same time I have realised that I have become a Fat Bastard and have started taking my iron girder mountain bike off road down the national trust woods and onto the beach.
Most car drivers actually give a confidently riden bike a wide bearth, although perhaps 20% could be more considerate. Numpties with bike racks are the worst, followed by BMW drivers and old people.
Much could be done to make biking safer, but the car will always be preferred !
At the same time I have realised that I have become a Fat Bastard and have started taking my iron girder mountain bike off road down the national trust woods and onto the beach.
Most car drivers actually give a confidently riden bike a wide bearth, although perhaps 20% could be more considerate. Numpties with bike racks are the worst, followed by BMW drivers and old people.
Much could be done to make biking safer, but the car will always be preferred !
As a keen mountain biker, what really pi$$es me off is the road racing cyclist form a pack of about 5 wide in narrow country lanes. If you try to pass, giving them as wide a berth as possible they often get mouthy.
whenever we are out on our mountain bikes, we have a paranoid desire to get out of the way, and even wave cars past if we can see its clear.
Surely its better for all concerned to not be near each other or hold each other up.
I cannot for the life of me see their logic, they seem to think its their right to hold up following motorists.
whenever we are out on our mountain bikes, we have a paranoid desire to get out of the way, and even wave cars past if we can see its clear.
Surely its better for all concerned to not be near each other or hold each other up.
I cannot for the life of me see their logic, they seem to think its their right to hold up following motorists.
Having commuted in London on a bike 20 miles every day for several years, I can say with absolute certainty that there are several hundred idiots on the road every morning and evening.
Thing is, the idiots on the bikes speed past the cars, wind them up and generally annoy the majority. The idiots on four wheels cause just as much annoyance, but they have a much better chance of killing the cyclists. I can't remember a day when some tw@ would turn in front of me. If I objected, it was "Sorry, I didn't see you" Oh, well that's all right then... You just have to assume that everyone on the road is an idiot.
There are idiots everywhere on the roads - I've never yet heard of a cyclist killing anyone in traffic, but cars kill people every day.
Thing is, the idiots on the bikes speed past the cars, wind them up and generally annoy the majority. The idiots on four wheels cause just as much annoyance, but they have a much better chance of killing the cyclists. I can't remember a day when some tw@ would turn in front of me. If I objected, it was "Sorry, I didn't see you" Oh, well that's all right then... You just have to assume that everyone on the road is an idiot.
There are idiots everywhere on the roads - I've never yet heard of a cyclist killing anyone in traffic, but cars kill people every day.
I wonder whether some cyclists have the attitude "oh that's okay, if a car hits me it'll be the car driver's fault whatever happens"?
I was just approaching a roundabout and indicating right. Because I wanted to turn right - nothing exciting so far. As it happens, I saw a cyclist heading directly towards me, going straight on, and I just got the impression that he wasn't going to stop...
And sure enough, he carried on going while I was on the roundabout, with me heading towards him. A quick blast on the horn later, and Mr Cyclist swerved towards me (
) before heading off, whinging about car drivers. Lucky I was watching for him - had I been a mad pensioner or a numpty mum in an X5 he'd had been under the wheels of the car.
So why did he leap out in front of me? Didn't see me, perhaps? I was driving a white Volvo estate, and indicating right. I was as visible as a very visible thing, and there were no obstructions on the roundabout. So I can only conclude that his natural arrogance made him think "s'okay, she'll stop for me 'cos I'm a cyclist".
I simply can't understand why anyone would cut across the path of nearly 2 tonnes of moving car when riding a pushbike!! Moron....
I was just approaching a roundabout and indicating right. Because I wanted to turn right - nothing exciting so far. As it happens, I saw a cyclist heading directly towards me, going straight on, and I just got the impression that he wasn't going to stop...
And sure enough, he carried on going while I was on the roundabout, with me heading towards him. A quick blast on the horn later, and Mr Cyclist swerved towards me (
) before heading off, whinging about car drivers. Lucky I was watching for him - had I been a mad pensioner or a numpty mum in an X5 he'd had been under the wheels of the car. So why did he leap out in front of me? Didn't see me, perhaps? I was driving a white Volvo estate, and indicating right. I was as visible as a very visible thing, and there were no obstructions on the roundabout. So I can only conclude that his natural arrogance made him think "s'okay, she'll stop for me 'cos I'm a cyclist".
I simply can't understand why anyone would cut across the path of nearly 2 tonnes of moving car when riding a pushbike!! Moron....
The problem here is that the law has been changed about 4 years ago saying you "must drive in a way which can cause NO danger to cyclists, children and pedestrians" and other idiocies.
That means effectively the BiB will always persue the "bad" car driver and the others wrinklies, antisocial scumums and pedalistas now think they're fking invincible...
If I'dve been driving the Dodge the barsteward would have bitten bullbar in a BIG way.........and probably have been crushed by my 26" wheels..... mind you he couldn't have gone to the BiB then......
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Tuesday 16th September 11:30
That means effectively the BiB will always persue the "bad" car driver and the others wrinklies, antisocial scumums and pedalistas now think they're fking invincible...
If I'dve been driving the Dodge the barsteward would have bitten bullbar in a BIG way.........and probably have been crushed by my 26" wheels..... mind you he couldn't have gone to the BiB then......
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Tuesday 16th September 11:30
I was unfortunate to be knocked over by cyclist in London just as I was crossing the road on the new pelican crossing outside cannon street station 2 week ago. (No I was not running or late for the train). The lights were red for the traffic, but the green man had gone, but the red man not appeared (about 5 seconds between them). He rode on. Fortunately the first car at the lights was a Met car, and he pulled the cyclist over. The other got out the car and checked me over. Said that they were going to book the cyclist for "failing to stop at a red light". Took my details but I've heard nothing.
I have to say in London cyclist don't stop at red lights, but then cars/taxis dont wait behind the white line to give cyclist that extra 2 meters at the lights either....
I have to say in London cyclist don't stop at red lights, but then cars/taxis dont wait behind the white line to give cyclist that extra 2 meters at the lights either....
JMGS4 said:
Had one of these idiots last saturday, riding with one jhand on the 'bars, other hand holding a large bunch of flowers, RIDING ON THE PAVEMENT of course, turns onto the zebra without stopping or looking. Needless to say I've already noted his idiocy and had the foot "hovering" stopped without a problem but sharply and gave him a ticking off. The b***ard then tried to kick the car, threatens me, so to defuse the situation I drive off.
SO, this morning I get a letter from the GiG (girl in green in this case!) saying I had endangered the tw@ and would I appear at the copshop to give my version.......
Waiting to say what the GiG here say about an adult 35yo approx riding on the pavement, wiithout proper control, without looking, biking on a pedestrian crossing, threatening behaviour, attempted damage to personal belongings, etc.........
I'll keep you all posted.........
Heres the only thing I dont like about Germany, anyone can report anyone for anything! Its simply insane!
I got an automatic 10EUR fine for driving 2 meters past a private road sign just to turn, reported by some one looking out of their window.
!!!!!!!!
I'm goign to stick my neck out here quite a bit and say that often when I'm out on my bike I'll hop on to the pavement (if there are no pedestrians about- and this is usualy the case when and where I ride (mainly in Troon-my home town)) and turn left off the road if the lights at red, or I'll go if the crossing lights are on.....I am causing NO harm to anyone and I honestly don't see the problem with this. and I'll go as far to say that nearly everyone of you would do it too!
The one thing I am VERY concious off when out is the fact that a car would severly injury me if it hit me so I take all precautions to avoid this and stay well out there way.
I feel in the above case both ppl have a point...the cyclist was well out of line. no question! But you get people like this in all things! At a crossing you have got to be aware that pepole will step out without looking...why is it diferent for cyclists. maybe he shouldn't have been using the crossing but I feel that it could easily have been a pedistrain. Living in St Andrews, there are crossings everywhere and you do have aproach them very slowly as it's such a busy place that peopel will always step out, it's basically pedestrainised wihtout being! Maybe I'm just used to this now!
Richard
The one thing I am VERY concious off when out is the fact that a car would severly injury me if it hit me so I take all precautions to avoid this and stay well out there way.
I feel in the above case both ppl have a point...the cyclist was well out of line. no question! But you get people like this in all things! At a crossing you have got to be aware that pepole will step out without looking...why is it diferent for cyclists. maybe he shouldn't have been using the crossing but I feel that it could easily have been a pedistrain. Living in St Andrews, there are crossings everywhere and you do have aproach them very slowly as it's such a busy place that peopel will always step out, it's basically pedestrainised wihtout being! Maybe I'm just used to this now!
Richard
JMGS4 said:
The problem here is that the law has been changed about 4 years ago saying you "must drive in a way which can cause NO danger to cyclists, children and pedestrians" and other idiocies.
Aha. So in other words, it's against the law to actually move the car, then, because moving automatically "endangers" anyone and anything you happen to pass. A granny could step out in front of you, or you could reverse into a wall when driving out of the garage.... Great legislation - who makes these things up?!
I'm off to sit in the driver's seat of the car and make "brrm brrm" noises.
SGirl said:I remember Chris Tarrent on his breakfast show relating a story of a cyclist weaving slowly around in front of him wearing headphones and clearly listening to a 'personal entertainment system'. The cyclist was also clearly unaware of the vehicle behind them. Mr Tarrent tootled the cyclist melodiously and got 'the finger' in reply. Chris's comment was, "He's riding a bicycle, I'm driving three and a half tons of Land Cruiser ... and HE gives ME the finger?!" Just about sums it up.
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I simply can't understand why anyone would cut across the path of nearly 2 tonnes of moving car when riding a pushbike!! Moron....
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