12 points arrrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello all,
My dad's just got another speeding fine, he's already on nine points for three other scamera offences (two 30mph and a 40mph i think). this one's a 65 in a 50.
Any ideas on how long a ban he can expect??
He doesn't know he's got another one yet, he gets back later in the week he's gonna be pissed!!!
Any info much appreciated, it'll all help put out the flames when he gets back
Cheers
Tim.
My dad's just got another speeding fine, he's already on nine points for three other scamera offences (two 30mph and a 40mph i think). this one's a 65 in a 50.
Any ideas on how long a ban he can expect??
He doesn't know he's got another one yet, he gets back later in the week he's gonna be pissed!!!
Any info much appreciated, it'll all help put out the flames when he gets back
Cheers
Tim.
Surely this is happening quite a lot these days?
It's one thing to rob people of the odd 60 quid for no good reason, but right here is a real case of some poor soul possibly having the very roof from over his children's heads taken....
Despicable is the only word for it.
We need heads on poles. And quick.
(edit) ps I've just come back down to 3 from 9 and I was damned careful for that almost three years I had to operate under the threat of bankruptcy, surely your dad shouldn't have been risking 65 in a 50 under those circumstances?
pps I've been told if you have 9 points, you should go out and get done for 110 in a 70 because you'll get three weeks and then a clean licence.
>> Edited by supermono on Tuesday 16th September 20:45
It's one thing to rob people of the odd 60 quid for no good reason, but right here is a real case of some poor soul possibly having the very roof from over his children's heads taken....
Despicable is the only word for it.
We need heads on poles. And quick.
(edit) ps I've just come back down to 3 from 9 and I was damned careful for that almost three years I had to operate under the threat of bankruptcy, surely your dad shouldn't have been risking 65 in a 50 under those circumstances?
pps I've been told if you have 9 points, you should go out and get done for 110 in a 70 because you'll get three weeks and then a clean licence.
>> Edited by supermono on Tuesday 16th September 20:45
That would only force the councils to reduce the limits even further on perfectly straight roads.
From 50 and 60mph, they've sneaked them down to 40 and 30 for no good reason - apart from the simultaneous installation of scameras/vans
next thing we'll be looking at 20mph limits on all A-roads, making criminals out of the boy-racers who get done for 21mph!
But hey, the 'partnerships' have to be profitable businesses, eh?
It all started under fake pretences to stop irresponsible speeding outside schools, hospitals etc.
It's now become a bad joke (profitable, though)
From 50 and 60mph, they've sneaked them down to 40 and 30 for no good reason - apart from the simultaneous installation of scameras/vans
next thing we'll be looking at 20mph limits on all A-roads, making criminals out of the boy-racers who get done for 21mph!
But hey, the 'partnerships' have to be profitable businesses, eh?
It all started under fake pretences to stop irresponsible speeding outside schools, hospitals etc.
It's now become a bad joke (profitable, though)
318ti said:
Or as annoying as it is, people could just stick to the limit? That's what the black numbers in the red bordered circles represent.
I'm with you! If you can't afford the ban/points/fine don't break the limits.
This isn't a question of wether it is safe/appropiate to be speed x, but the preservation of your licence!
enginearin said:
My dad's just got another speeding fine, He doesn't know he's got another one yet, he gets back later in the week
Since he doesn't know yet, I presume that you mean that he's just got another NIP.
If so, you could do a lot worse than start here: www.abd.org.uk/speed_limit_signs.htm
I know that this has been done to death, however, since he now has nothing to lose, he may wish to consider a more adventurous defence,
Scameraship said:
crucially however there is no statutory requirement to actually sign the document.
>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Tuesday 16th September 22:55
docevi1 said:
Or as annoying as it is, people could just stick to the limit? That's what the black numbers in the red bordered circles represent.
I'm with you! If you can't afford the ban/points/fine don't break the limits.
This isn't a question of wether it is safe/appropiate to be speed x, but the preservation of your licence!
Agreed ... I had 12 points and *DIDN'T* lose my licence (God knows how - 3 points got mislaid somewhere) but as I've got older and a bit wiser I've realised that just because I think 70 as a limit on a nmotorway is a farce and just because I think that 90 is fine for motorway travel that doesn't give me the right to do it.
If *I* choose to do something that I know is a criminal act (no matter how seemingly petty) then I have to be prepared to face up to the consequences - In the meantime we can all campaign about inappropriate speed limits, scameras and trafpols with laser guns as much as we like but the law still remains the law - break it at your peril! Until there's a major change of attitude at the senior governmental level *NOTHING* is going to change...
Phil
bassfiend said:
Until there's a major change of attitude at the senior governmental level *NOTHING* is going to change...
Phil
Well at this rate they are going to HAVE to do something...it won't be long until everyone's got a ban. And who's going to drive Prescott around when he's pi55ed then??
bassfiend said:
If *I* choose to do something that I know is a criminal act (no matter how seemingly petty) then I have to be prepared to face up to the consequences -
Absolutely right. One may huff and puff and feel outraged but since the rule, however dumb, is well known beforehand one cannot complain when caught.
bassfiend said:
In the meantime we can all campaign about inappropriate speed limits, scameras and trafpols with laser guns as much as we like but the law still remains the law - break it at your peril!
Also indisputable. If one is intending to ignore ridiculous limits then it behoves the driver to take every last precaution against being caught (radar detectors, laser jammers, GPS warning systems, highly tuned observation skills, never speeding in an unknown area, never speeding without checking the road ahead etc) but at the end of the day if caught then the driver was caught knowingly breaking the law and has to accept (even though the law may be an ass) the consequences...and its better to do so with good grace.
bassfiend said:
Until there's a major change of attitude at the senior governmental level *NOTHING* is going to change... Phil
True again! My take on it is that every
er to do with national transport planning and road traffic policy setting is based in London - the least ing typical transport environment in Britain. They have a skewed view of things which has now filtered out and down to local Government allowing the tea-boys in the Local Road Engineering outfits to design new Accident Blackspots on a daily basis (incompetent ers) and councillors to huff and puff about how they are saving lives by introducing 20mph limits. I despair. Then I drive off to my favourite B roads and quite comprehensively break the law.
And I don't behave irresponsibly, drive like a loon or endanger myself or anyone else in the process.
Got to admit sitting firmly in the unpopular corner with Bassfiend and Don on this one.
What I don't understand is this.
We all drive down a road with limit x and say, hey its a bit dodgy here better go at y ie slower than x.
Equally we all, if we are honest, go down another road limit x and say, hmmm not sure why it is x.
At that point population seems to split into two camps.
One lot says, well there might be some hazard I've not clocked yet, and I don't want points so I'll drive at up to x.
The other lot says, limit must be wrong, sod it. Then they complain if they do get nicked, it's everyone else's fault bar their's. Oh yes everyone in the first group is incompetent/ a numpty / pensioner in a Micra / bla bla bla.
So why does anyone consider they have the right to choose which bit of law to obey and which not?
What next?
Traffic queue? I'll just bump up onto the pedestrian bit and keep going!
Red traffic light? Keep going, or up on the kerb round the corner then I'm on a green am I not?
One way street? How inconvenient I'll go up it the wrong way!
Getting dark? Can't be arsed to make sure my lights work or indeed put them on!
That's all stuff we see pedal cyclists do every day, and just look at the vitriol posted in those two recent anti-cyclist threads.
I'm all for if the law is wrong then try and change it in a democratic fashion. Extremely frustated that the Govt will not listen. But can someone please explain why one is perceived OK and one not.
Not being holier than thou, and not trying to wind folks up: honest! Hell I like the quiet and twisty stuff, but I like the no points too.
OK I'll get me coat, and better put a tin hat on while I'm at it.
What I don't understand is this.
We all drive down a road with limit x and say, hey its a bit dodgy here better go at y ie slower than x.
Equally we all, if we are honest, go down another road limit x and say, hmmm not sure why it is x.
At that point population seems to split into two camps.
One lot says, well there might be some hazard I've not clocked yet, and I don't want points so I'll drive at up to x.
The other lot says, limit must be wrong, sod it. Then they complain if they do get nicked, it's everyone else's fault bar their's. Oh yes everyone in the first group is incompetent/ a numpty / pensioner in a Micra / bla bla bla.
So why does anyone consider they have the right to choose which bit of law to obey and which not?
What next?
Traffic queue? I'll just bump up onto the pedestrian bit and keep going!
Red traffic light? Keep going, or up on the kerb round the corner then I'm on a green am I not?
One way street? How inconvenient I'll go up it the wrong way!
Getting dark? Can't be arsed to make sure my lights work or indeed put them on!
That's all stuff we see pedal cyclists do every day, and just look at the vitriol posted in those two recent anti-cyclist threads.
I'm all for if the law is wrong then try and change it in a democratic fashion. Extremely frustated that the Govt will not listen. But can someone please explain why one is perceived OK and one not.
Not being holier than thou, and not trying to wind folks up: honest! Hell I like the quiet and twisty stuff, but I like the no points too.
OK I'll get me coat, and better put a tin hat on while I'm at it.
318ti said:
Or as annoying as it is, people could just stick to the limit? That's what the black numbers in the red bordered circles represent.
I'm with you on this one. If people didn't drive like such numpties everywhere (I'm not necessarily saying stick to the speed limits here) and paid attention to their driving then:
1. They wouldn't get caught on camera because they'd see them.
2. They would be better equipped to avoid accidents
3. We wouldn't even bloody well need speed cameras!
Flat in Fifth said:
So why does anyone consider they have the right to choose which bit of law to obey and which not?
Er, in no particular order: a combination of driver training, intelligence and observation.
If you admit that a 'good' driver will travel at less than the speed limit when appropriate, then you have to admit that the same driver can also decide for him or herself when its appropriate to exceed said arbitary limit.
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