SORN - Advice please
Discussion
My Old car went in part exchange to the dealer where I am buying my new car from.
I took it back to the dealer on 7th June, and it still had 5 months road tax left on it, which I agreed to leave on the car.
I signed the Red slip at the bottom of the V5, which was obviously left with the dealer. However, as it was being taken in Part/Ex, I did not Inform the DVLA.
I have today received a letter rom the DVLA, stating that the road tax was surrendered on 19th June (the dealer), "and that the vehicle does not seem to have been relicensed or a SORN declaration made".
They are asking for a payment of £25 for the alledged offence.
The dealer still have the car as they have not yet sold it.
Question.
Should I have still notified the DVLA of the transfer, as you would if it was a private sale?? If so, am I obliged to pay the £25, and
There must be hundred's of cars in this position. Should the dealer have notified the DVLA, and can I pass this over to them to pay?
I took it back to the dealer on 7th June, and it still had 5 months road tax left on it, which I agreed to leave on the car.
I signed the Red slip at the bottom of the V5, which was obviously left with the dealer. However, as it was being taken in Part/Ex, I did not Inform the DVLA.
I have today received a letter rom the DVLA, stating that the road tax was surrendered on 19th June (the dealer), "and that the vehicle does not seem to have been relicensed or a SORN declaration made".
They are asking for a payment of £25 for the alledged offence.
The dealer still have the car as they have not yet sold it.
Question.
Should I have still notified the DVLA of the transfer, as you would if it was a private sale?? If so, am I obliged to pay the £25, and
There must be hundred's of cars in this position. Should the dealer have notified the DVLA, and can I pass this over to them to pay?
On your V5 there are two declarations at sale. One for sale to new owner and one for sale to dealer. You are supposed to post the thing when you transfer the vehicle, as if the dealer does not you get bothered like this. Try visiting the dealer to ask if they sent it. If so, then write to DVLA stating that the form was completed and posted.
Thanks for the reply.
Surely though the dealer would not want to notify the DVLA until they have sold it, as it would mean that the vehicle in theory then has had another owner.
I suppose that if they had sold the car straight away, it would not have become an issue, as it would have been re-registered and a new tax disc applied for.
Surely though the dealer would not want to notify the DVLA until they have sold it, as it would mean that the vehicle in theory then has had another owner.
I suppose that if they had sold the car straight away, it would not have become an issue, as it would have been re-registered and a new tax disc applied for.
These offences are committed by the registered keeper. Until you notify DVLA, you remain the registered keeper. Did you notify them ?
Some courts take a hard line on these as every Tom, Dick and Harriet challenge a parking ticket with "I sold the car". My usual reply is that unless you notify Swansea, so what. You're not the owner, you chose to remain the registered keeper. It's your fine.
2 options, take the conditional offer, it's not an offence, or await a court prosecution and challenge being the registered keeper. Some courts will allow you to complete a statutory declaration stating why it's not your fault and if the garage agrees with your story, write the case off, but beware, other courts aren't so charitable.
Some courts take a hard line on these as every Tom, Dick and Harriet challenge a parking ticket with "I sold the car". My usual reply is that unless you notify Swansea, so what. You're not the owner, you chose to remain the registered keeper. It's your fine.
2 options, take the conditional offer, it's not an offence, or await a court prosecution and challenge being the registered keeper. Some courts will allow you to complete a statutory declaration stating why it's not your fault and if the garage agrees with your story, write the case off, but beware, other courts aren't so charitable.
jeffreyarcher said:
You do this by buying the tax. When DVLA get the money, they know your vehicle is de-SORNed.
Yes but you have to make declaration when you SORN it, and by taking it away from the declared address, you are breaking the declaration.
Jeffrey, You have been inside too long
madcop said:
Do you have to de-SORN a car when taking it to a garage for a pre-arranged MOT or repair?
You do this by buying the tax. When DVLA get the money, they know your vehicle is de-SORNed.
To get the tax you need an MOT. I believe, and I am open to persuasion, that you are allowed to drive a vehicle without tax to [and this is the important bit] a pre arranged [read evidence in writing] MOT or place where work will be carried out to rectify the faults causing an MOT failure.
liszt said:
I believe that you are allowed to drive a vehicle without tax to [and this is the important bit] a pre arranged [read evidence in writing] MOT or place where work will be carried out to rectify the faults causing an MOT failure.
Correct, however the SORN declaration does not take account of this possibility, hence my question.
You do not requiure tax, nor an MOT, but you have still made a false SORN declaration.
bobthebench said:
These offences are committed by the registered keeper. Until you notify DVLA, you remain the registered keeper. Did you notify them ?
Some courts take a hard line on these as every Tom, Dick and Harriet challenge a parking ticket with "I sold the car". My usual reply is that unless you notify Swansea, so what. You're not the owner, you chose to remain the registered keeper. It's your fine.
2 options, take the conditional offer, it's not an offence, or await a court prosecution and challenge being the registered keeper. Some courts will allow you to complete a statutory declaration stating why it's not your fault and if the garage agrees with your story, write the case off, but beware, other courts aren't so charitable.
No offence, but that sucks donkey dick.
madcop gave me an answer to the MOT/SORN issues a couple of weeks back on this thread...
Mechanic stopped by the police
Mechanic stopped by the police
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