Speeding convictions and crime statistics
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Crime stats not getting cleared doesn't suprise me,,,
I have been asked to give a few details as a witness to crime....i have been told to call a cad room...over the last 3 days i have been on hold for over 3 hours,,,the operator is unable to take a message that i called,,they tell me to hold or call 999 if it is an emergency,,,which clearly it is not. i really do not want any involvement,i tried to do the reasonable citizen thing,but they don't make it easy..maybe if i go down the road at 40 mph,,when the SWAT team apprehend me i can give them the details now that i have their attention.......not impressed with first dealings with Police force one little bit,if this was a public quoted company going about their business in this way they would not be a going concern.
I have been asked to give a few details as a witness to crime....i have been told to call a cad room...over the last 3 days i have been on hold for over 3 hours,,,the operator is unable to take a message that i called,,they tell me to hold or call 999 if it is an emergency,,,which clearly it is not. i really do not want any involvement,i tried to do the reasonable citizen thing,but they don't make it easy..maybe if i go down the road at 40 mph,,when the SWAT team apprehend me i can give them the details now that i have their attention.......not impressed with first dealings with Police force one little bit,if this was a public quoted company going about their business in this way they would not be a going concern.
Tivster said:
Done to death....sigh!
Speeding is NOT classed as a criminal matter (that's about the millionth time I've said that) and so is not recordable for crime statistics in any way shape or form.
Tivster
It may well not be but highway robberie still is.
and been automated.
>> Edited by outlaw on Saturday 20th September 03:00
Tivster said:
Done to death....sigh!
Speeding is NOT classed as a criminal matter (that's about the millionth time I've said that) and so is not recordable for crime statistics in any way shape or form.
Tivster
On another forum a solicitor(she said) stated that all motoring offences other than parking are criminal. Not true then?
Tafia said:
Done to death....sigh!
Speeding is NOT classed as a criminal matter (that's about the millionth time I've said that) and so is not recordable for crime statistics in any way shape or form.
Tivster
On another forum a solicitor(she said) stated that all motoring offences other than parking are criminal. Not true then?
Solicitors should stick to soliciting....no no not that sort
Traffic matters may be dealt with IN a criminal court but....
The answer to this really lies in the punishment imposed - if convicted of speeding due you get a criminal conviction record ? - NO.
If applying for jobs and the application asks for details of criminal convictions, do you insert the details of your SP30 ? - NO
Etc Etc.
Respect to Solicitors who know there stuff, but stating all Traffic offences are criminal matters is more than misleading.
Some serious motoring offences can result in a criminal record, but they are serious and not your common or garden variety.
Tivster
Tafia said:
Done to death....sigh!
Speeding is NOT classed as a criminal matter (that's about the millionth time I've said that) and so is not recordable for crime statistics in any way shape or form.
Tivster
On another forum a solicitor(she said) stated that all motoring offences other than parking are criminal. Not true then?
All these offences are covered by the criminal law. That is what makes them criminal offences.
There are 2 kinds of law in this country. Criminal and Civil. If the offence is dealt with in a civil court, it is not classed as a criminal offence. Civil courts have the purpose of allowing damages to be sought from the purpetrators of criminal or negligent acts. That is as far as the two mix.
The difference is that these type of offences (summary road Traffic offences) are not recordable offences. Recordable offences are ones which when arrested or charged, the Police are directed to record for statistical purposes and require the taking of fingerprint, photograph and DNA sample.
When you are required to give your fingerpirnts, photo and DNA after a stop or conviction for a Road Traffic offence, you will be aware that the recording of criminal offences has changed to include them all.
Having collected a parking ticket for stopping to 'load' my motorcycle (I'm a courier) in The Haymarket on Friday (and the blighter wasn't in sight when I left it or returned during my 80 second departure) I read that removing or tampering with said ticket, was a "Criminal Offence". A question for Madcop: What defines the difference between a "reportable" criminal offence and one that is not?
A "Fair Cop" Was that about the time of Jack Warner? Have you all become "Madcops" ever since?
(Explanation available for those still wet behind the ears)
A "Fair Cop" Was that about the time of Jack Warner? Have you all become "Madcops" ever since?
(Explanation available for those still wet behind the ears)
Derek R. said:
Having collected a parking ticket for stopping to 'load' my motorcycle (I'm a courier) in The Haymarket on Friday (and the blighter wasn't in sight when I left it or returned during my 80 second departure) I read that removing or tampering with said ticket, was a "Criminal Offence".
It is a criminal offence because it is dealt with by a criminal court and not a civil one. That is the difference.
Derek R. said:
A question for Madcop: What defines the difference between a "reportable" criminal offence and one that is not?
There is no such thing as a reportable criminal offence.
The difference is recordable offences and non-recordable offences. Recordable offences are those that are considered serious enough to include a conviction which has a criminal record attached to it.
Those offences that do not have criminal record status attched to them are non-recordable, hence the minor road Traffic offences which of the more serious are included withint the endorsement system.
You do not get a criminal record for running a red light without any other consequences or for speeding. If you were to kill someone in the process, a minor Road Traffic offence will turn from a minor endorsable offence to an endorsable offence with a recordable offence attached to it.
Derek R. said:
A "Fair Cop" Was that about the time of Jack Warner? Have you all become "Madcops" ever since?
(Explanation available for those still wet behind the ears)
I must be wet behind the ears
I need an explanation unless it is that you are slighting my character 
Thanks for clarification. I should have spoken of 'Dixon of Dock Green' the fifties TV program depicting the 'Bill'. Jack Warner was the actor who played Sgt. Dixon around whose professional life the program centred. Communication between officers was by whistle, the 'Flying Squad' used black Wolsleys with a bell on the front, errant little boys got a clip round the ear and burglars really got caught and sent down. (They didn't quite wear striped jumpers and carry bags stating "swag", but compared to today it might have seemed like it, they were also sometimes heard to say "It's a fair cop guv".)
Slighting your character? I don't know your character! Wasn't it yourself who chose your nickname?
>> Edited by Derek R. on Monday 22 September 10:23
Slighting your character? I don't know your character! Wasn't it yourself who chose your nickname?
>> Edited by Derek R. on Monday 22 September 10:23
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