Why didn't he see it coming
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Having a bit of a comparison to an imprezza this morning. Both going at ludicrus speed out the A2, I'm about 50 yds ahead when we are about 2 hundred yards from the speed camera (you know the one). I start to slow down and notice that he's not!
Oh no, I think he may not know this area, I have my window down (always do when I'm having fun) and so stick my hand up and do the bird flapping slow down signs.
He shoots past me seconds later showing me his middle finger and mouthing something and straight past the camera which gives him the double flash!
Right up to the point where he gave me the finger I felt guilty. Does nobody know what that sign means anymore?
Oh no, I think he may not know this area, I have my window down (always do when I'm having fun) and so stick my hand up and do the bird flapping slow down signs.
He shoots past me seconds later showing me his middle finger and mouthing something and straight past the camera which gives him the double flash!
Right up to the point where he gave me the finger I felt guilty. Does nobody know what that sign means anymore?
anyway. 
Whats the difference between speeding, and speeding with another car. Not inherently more dangerous, still have radar up like any other drive and making sure the red mist doesn't do the driving. Not even a race really unless there are any curves. When I was younger I used to race police cars, all in good fun, they'd wave me on and then we'd have a mock race.
See how the world is changed, now just the word race with little other comments can make someone think you should be locked up
This country IS going down the tubes, some of it is them, but some of it is us.
What we need is another war to teach us whats important rant rant, sits back in rocking chair and blow gently on pipe with knowing grin.
See how the world is changed, now just the word race with little other comments can make someone think you should be locked up
This country IS going down the tubes, some of it is them, but some of it is us.
What we need is another war to teach us whats important rant rant, sits back in rocking chair and blow gently on pipe with knowing grin.
you're very right....the word 'race' immediately gives people a certain impression. Its rather like the word 'drugs' to anyeone over about 50.... can be tricky when you work for a pharma company
Oh, and for stupid and rude numpties. Nipped back to parents at weekend, and left the M3 at Jnc 4a... slip road terminates in a roundabout - if you turn left you go back over the motorway on a bridge...which is where I was going. Was in queue of cars, and a green people carrier had come over roundabout behind me. glanced in rear view mirror to find it had vanished, wondered how, when I notuiced it coming up beside me. In the other lane, approching the crest of a blind bridge, with the ocupants having a nice little chat. They werent overtaking, just pootling along. So I sit on the horn and start wavnig and gesturing and trying o mouth "it isnt a dual carriageway, that is an oncoming lane etc etc". At which point the woman in the alssenger seat gives me a mouthful of abuse and sticks ehr fingers up at me. At same moment a car comes over the hill towards them, slams on brakes, locks up and swerves towards the verge. Peole carrier driver panics and swereves back into our lane. Luckily I had thought of this and wasnt in the way or he would have smashed up my car. Then they drove off.....
I so wanted to drag them out of the car and ask for an apology!
Oh, and for stupid and rude numpties. Nipped back to parents at weekend, and left the M3 at Jnc 4a... slip road terminates in a roundabout - if you turn left you go back over the motorway on a bridge...which is where I was going. Was in queue of cars, and a green people carrier had come over roundabout behind me. glanced in rear view mirror to find it had vanished, wondered how, when I notuiced it coming up beside me. In the other lane, approching the crest of a blind bridge, with the ocupants having a nice little chat. They werent overtaking, just pootling along. So I sit on the horn and start wavnig and gesturing and trying o mouth "it isnt a dual carriageway, that is an oncoming lane etc etc". At which point the woman in the alssenger seat gives me a mouthful of abuse and sticks ehr fingers up at me. At same moment a car comes over the hill towards them, slams on brakes, locks up and swerves towards the verge. Peole carrier driver panics and swereves back into our lane. Luckily I had thought of this and wasnt in the way or he would have smashed up my car. Then they drove off.....
I so wanted to drag them out of the car and ask for an apology!
Julian64 said:
Whats the difference between speeding, and speeding with another car. Not inherently more dangerous, still have radar up like any other drive and making sure the red mist doesn't do the driving. Not even a race really unless there are any curves. When I was younger I used to race police cars, all in good fun, they'd wave me on and then we'd have a mock race.
See how the world is changed, now just the word race with little other comments can make someone think you should be locked up
This country IS going down the tubes, some of it is them, but some of it is us.
What we need is another war to teach us whats important rant rant, sits back in rocking chair and blow gently on pipe with knowing grin.
The danger is that in racing the red mist comes down, and one driver if not both loses sense of reality with the end result that someone can get seriously hurt or killed.
The person posting here may have been driving enthusiastically however was clearly still paying attention as they slowed for the camera. The other driver either didn't care about the camera, or was so caught up in the driving that they failed to pay attention to the road ahead and therefore missed seeing the camera.
Enthusiastic driving in comvoy with other cars is all very well as long as he drivers know their limits, the limits of the roads they are on and they are not a danger to other road users. Unfortunately though they often are a danger to others.
Julian64 said:
Serves him right, and if you were racing which you imply you were, then its a shame there was no BiB around to nick the pair of you
Bit harsh, do you ever speed? Is your name brunstom?
Yes I do speed, but i dont think i do it excessively or dangerously, and I certainly do not race on public roads - I save it for the track
dontlift said:
dontlift said:
Serves him right, and if you were racing which you imply you were, then its a shame there was no BiB around to nick the pair of you
Bit harsh, do you ever speed? Is your name brunstom?
Yes I do speed, but i dont think i do it excessively or dangerously, and I certainly do not race on public roads - I save it for the track
Bit of double standards here methink. I don't consider I do it excessively or dangerously either.
Done the track thing, its nowhere near as much fun, all the cars going in the same direction, bends you have driven thousands of times before and that have been designed not to give you a problem, marshalls that red and black flag you because you overtake on braking or squeal your wheels.
I used to have more fun back and forth to the track than actually being there. Far more at stake, bends that you may not know, various mobile chicanes, possible BIB. More varied set of drivers. All in all more rewarding.
I'm interested though that you consider racing causes you to become dangerous but speeding doesn't. I really don't see a difference.
Julian64 said:
I'm interested though that you consider racing causes you to become dangerous but speeding doesn't. I really don't see a difference.
Of course there is a difference. "Racing" is when two cars attempt not to let the other one get in front. Its not actually safe on the track...but there at least everyone has signed up to the idea. Things can go wrong but even "innocent" parties have deliberately taken their car on track to "race".
If you go to a track day and people actually race they get black flagged - and for a damn good reason. The other people on track did NOT sign up for a race they signed up for a bit of fun with only a small increased risk over road driving. If a bit of "racing" goes wrong and a third party's car is smashed up they've got good reason to be very, very angry.
Now we come to "racing" on the road. Absolutely no one else on the road has signed up for the additional risk created by "racing". Racing implies blocking overtakes and travelling at high speed to prevent overtakes. Roads are not made for this purpose. Should anything go wrong and an accident occur affecting a third party in particular the "racers" really do deserve having the book thrown at them.
BUT
A bit of harmless putting of the foot down on a empty dual carriageway whilst another performance car does something similar...in a straight line...with excellent visibility and no-one else anywhere near...
Well...I wouldn't describe that as "racing". Its over before its begun practically and usually raises a grin. But I'd be very wary of admitting to it...I think it could be misinterpreted as an offence very easily.
Totally agree, maybe the problem here, is as I said before, the word 'race'.
I certainly don't think hazarding other road users is okay any more than hazarding other races on the track. Although I do disagree with you when you say the track is more dangerous. I think the road is more dangerous.
I was clearly paragraph 2 with open three lanes, and even when I raced on the track I didn't balk or try to prevent others overtaking. If they were managing to gain ground on me I let them overtake, which is perhaps why I was so bad at racing. Similarly on the road, I don't try to hold people up.
But neither do I think the word race means that, and think the idea it warrants immediate jail time is absurd.
I certainly don't think hazarding other road users is okay any more than hazarding other races on the track. Although I do disagree with you when you say the track is more dangerous. I think the road is more dangerous.
I was clearly paragraph 2 with open three lanes, and even when I raced on the track I didn't balk or try to prevent others overtaking. If they were managing to gain ground on me I let them overtake, which is perhaps why I was so bad at racing. Similarly on the road, I don't try to hold people up.
But neither do I think the word race means that, and think the idea it warrants immediate jail time is absurd.
Police advanced driving courses often run as a two car course. As you know, when on these courses, national speed limits do not apply. The instructors are very careful to avoid taking the same routes to the daily lunch destination and leave the Driving School at significantly different time intervals because if they travel together, there is a significant risk of the two cars getting involved in a dual of supremessy. This is tantamount to racing on the road.
Any battle of 'who is best' where speed is concerned whether it be someone running, riding an Ostrich or driving a vehicle, is a race. The consequences of such action at high speed can have devastating impacts on those involved and others who are not.
As in the instance reported above, it was obvious that the most important thing to the driver who was flashed by the camera was to be infront and therefore better. Did he have any regard for anything else that may have been a hazard at that time? I think not as his sole task was to remain in front at all costs.
Fortunately on this occasion, they may just be £60 and 3 points if he is lucky enough to have activated the camera at a speed less than that necessary to issue him with a summons.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 24th September 19:39
Any battle of 'who is best' where speed is concerned whether it be someone running, riding an Ostrich or driving a vehicle, is a race. The consequences of such action at high speed can have devastating impacts on those involved and others who are not.
As in the instance reported above, it was obvious that the most important thing to the driver who was flashed by the camera was to be infront and therefore better. Did he have any regard for anything else that may have been a hazard at that time? I think not as his sole task was to remain in front at all costs.
Fortunately on this occasion, they may just be £60 and 3 points if he is lucky enough to have activated the camera at a speed less than that necessary to issue him with a summons.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 24th September 19:39
dontlift said:
Serves him right, and if you were racing which you imply you were, then its a shame there was no BiB around to nick the pair of you
Just looked at your profile, nice couple of bikes you used to have. Did you always ride alone or perhaps go for a blast with friends or other bikers?
Perhaps you would call this racing too?
Pity there was no BiB around then to nick you!
>> Edited by elms on Thursday 25th September 09:11
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