insurance question
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bilko

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1,693 posts

252 months

Friday 26th September 2003
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Hi
Just need to clear up an argument with a friend and hoping you can give me your advice.
Both myself and my friend have comprehensive insurance for our own vehicles with no named drivers. The insurance company told me that if i was to drive my friends car then i would be insured 3rd party only and vica versa but would it be legal to drive my friends car without being a named driver? and also who would have to pay up if i were to have an accident whilst driving their car? I take it this would work for either of us.
Thanks for any input

cortinaman

3,230 posts

273 months

Friday 26th September 2003
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as your policy states,you are insured 3rd party only on any vehicle not owned by you but the vehicle has to have at least 3rd party cover on it for you to be insured and that should be the same for your mate.

hope that helps

Muncher83

12,235 posts

269 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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cortinaman, you're wrong the other vehicle not owned by you does not have to have it's own policy.

If you have DOC cover that is sufficient.

cortinaman

3,230 posts

273 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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im only going by what i was told by churchill.

they stated that if the owner of the vehicle not owned by me didnt have a minimum of a third party cover policy on it then i wasnt insured to drive it,even though i am fully comp on my own car.

toby tucker

648 posts

284 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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I'm with Muncher on this one - A comprehensive policy usually includes 3rd pary risks when you driving someone else's car (with their persmission).

However your insurance policy wont cover you for any damage that your mate does to your car even if he has your permission to drive it - your mate would need to be a named driver on your policy before your insurnance would cough up for any danmage.

cortinaman

3,230 posts

273 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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just goes to show.....ask churchill a question and the dumb dog doesnt give you the right answer!!

outlaw

1,893 posts

286 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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cortinaman said:
just goes to show.....ask churchill a question and the dumb dog doesnt give you the right answer!!



there con any way got a qoute for my gte once frome em the idots qouted 3500.

i dont even pay 500 for it.

the muped still keep sending daft qoutes every year.

the carp about the other car needing its own insharance is crap too.

and before any one pips up with you can leav the car parke on a road unless its got is own insharace is all so crap.

when ever you leav it the 3rd party liabilitiy is cover by the last driver cover.

Muncher83

12,235 posts

269 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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The reason there's confusion over the issue is companies will mis-inform people as they obviously don't want people to use the DOC cover.

blueyes

4,799 posts

272 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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I'm feeling thick today. What's DOC cover please?

Muncher83

12,235 posts

269 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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blueyes said:
I'm feeling thick today. What's DOC cover please?


Cover which allows you to drive any other vehicle not owned by yourself using an extension of third party cover provided by your policy.

Only some comprehensive policies offer this.

The only requirement is that the vehicle is not owned by yourself. The cover extends for as long as you were the last person to drive the vehicle.

In the event of an accident the claim is on your insurance, hence no one else needs a policy on that vehicle.

ribol

11,848 posts

278 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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DOC = Driving Other Cars.

As far as I know, for you to drive another car on your policy the other car must NOT be registered in your name and Must be insured by someone else. It will not be covered if the car is not insured.

Ivan

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

280 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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I had problems with this. I'm insured to drive other cars as a third party driver. If the other car isn't insured already then when I park it on the road and leave it it becomes uninsured on the highway. So I could drive it but not park it. Ludicrous and taxing it was a hoot as well!!

They all want a big slice of your wedge, DVLA want tax on as many vehicles as possible and the post office and insurance companies are just the same. They also want all the paper records to match up, smacks of more big brother to me and it's getting worse.

Muncher83

12,235 posts

269 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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Guys you're both wrong.

It does not need another policy, think about it, why would it need another policy? If you hit someone, it's covered by you, why would it need another policy?


If you parked the vehicle outside a shop and while you were away the handrbrake failed and it rolled down a hill and hit someone, it would still be insured TPO. Whilst you were the last driver it remains under your cover until someone else drives it.

^Slider^

2,874 posts

269 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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I think munchers right here, the third party cover applies as long as you are responsible for the vehical and as long as you have permission to drive it from the registered keeper.
With regards to DOC it is dependant on the insurance company some will specify that the vehical must be insured by the owner for road risks (ie min TPO cover)and some may not, you really need to get the insurance company to specify this in a letter if there is any doubt before you drive the other guys car.
And to confuse matters even more some insurance companies will only alow TPO cover for the named driver and not for anyone else even if they carry DOC cover!

Gareth

outlaw

1,893 posts

286 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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he is i just got feed up with fixing head gasket to day on the shit heap and went an brot another one.

put in the mrs name and driving it on my other cars insharance.


boosted ls1

21,200 posts

280 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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Muncher83 said:
Guys you're both wrong.

It does not need another policy, think about it, why would it need another policy? If you hit someone, it's covered by you, why would it need another policy?


If you parked the vehicle outside a shop and while you were away the handrbrake failed and it rolled down a hill and hit someone, it would still be insured TPO. Whilst you were the last driver it remains under your cover until someone else drives it.


Hi Muncher, I had the use of a spare uninsured vehicle and asked the BiB about the insurance situation when it was left parked by me. They said I would be committing an offence. Seems very unfair to me so I ended up taxing both vehicles and getting extra insurance to use them. It's a scam as far as I'm concerned. I can only drive one car at a time. When I tried to tax the other car (wife's) using my policy stating that I had TPC as required by the RTA I was told I would have to have a specific policy for her car or register it in my name. They and dvlc were adamant and an absolute pain.

bilko

Original Poster:

1,693 posts

252 months

Saturday 27th September 2003
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sorry to be a pain but this thread is getting confusing now. Can i just confirm that it is LEGAL to drive my friends car with their permission so long as we are both insured? And like i said - if the worst happens then i will be covered?

Muncher83

12,235 posts

269 months

Sunday 28th September 2003
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boosted ls1 said:

Muncher83 said:
Guys you're both wrong.

It does not need another policy, think about it, why would it need another policy? If you hit someone, it's covered by you, why would it need another policy?


If you parked the vehicle outside a shop and while you were away the handrbrake failed and it rolled down a hill and hit someone, it would still be insured TPO. Whilst you were the last driver it remains under your cover until someone else drives it.



Hi Muncher, I had the use of a spare uninsured vehicle and asked the BiB about the insurance situation when it was left parked by me. They said I would be committing an offence. Seems very unfair to me so I ended up taxing both vehicles and getting extra insurance to use them. It's a scam as far as I'm concerned. I can only drive one car at a time. When I tried to tax the other car (wife's) using my policy stating that I had TPC as required by the RTA I was told I would have to have a specific policy for her car or register it in my name. They and dvlc were adamant and an absolute pain.


They've advised you wrongly then. I am 100% on it being parked up issue, you are "the driver of the vehicle" until such time as someone else drives it.

Until very recently I worked for AXA Insurance in motor claims, I could also back that point up by many other insurance professionals.

Muncher83

12,235 posts

269 months

Sunday 28th September 2003
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bilko said:
sorry to be a pain but this thread is getting confusing now. Can i just confirm that it is LEGAL to drive my friends car with their permission so long as we are both insured? And like i said - if the worst happens then i will be covered?


Either you must have DOC cover (check with your insurer if in doubt)

OR

You must be a named driver on your m8s policy.

ribol

11,848 posts

278 months

Sunday 28th September 2003
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Muncher83 said:
It does not need another policy, think about it


So, if what you say is correct, you could go out and buy a banger with a new tax disc and MOT, register it in the girlfirends name and not insure it for the year? Sounds too easy, I would have thought they would have seen through that one.

Ivan