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Id completely forgotten id sent these lot anything...it was like a coupla weeks ago!
Anyway, they finally got around to sending me everything i ever didnt want to know...lol
Here's what i sent them, what they sent back, and at the bottom my latest one tonight.
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 21:25:27
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comments: I presume that you dont actually wish to catch drivers
speeding?
Rather to deter them ? Bearing that in mind, id like to give you
something
to think about.
The Partnership does not seek to catch drivers speeding - we just don't
want
you to speed in the first place. Make the choice - stick to the limit -
for
safety's sake!!
Is that absolutely true? Are you sure?
Lets test your honesty shall we?
Ok, If i decide to stand some way in front of one of your mobile
revenue
generator vans, with a big placard on which is printed " Talivan Speed
Trapppers Ahead, please slow down", are you saying that youd welcome
such an
action?
Id suggest youd be be incensed to lose all that cash, so incensed in
fact
that id be charged with obstruction, or some other such nonsense. True
or
false?
And if i was to be charged with obstruction, obstruction of what
exactly?
Obstruction of revenue generation perhaps?
I suggest that my idea would be a hell of a lot more effective at
slowing
drivers than YOU people, and drivers would actively support my actions.
YOURS they do NOT!
Well, i wait for a response regarding this email, but i seriously doubt
youll have anything complimentary to say.
Thanks for listening, see you soon on the roads!
Thank you for using the Bedfordshire and Luton Casualty Reduction
Partnership's website.
FALSE.
The locations for Safety Cameras are chosen by the Road Safety
Engineering
Consultants who are employed by Bedfordshire County Council. The
consultants
anylyse all the county's road accident data and if there is a three
year
history of casualties in the area and these are clustered around a
particular location or a length of road, cameras may be considered.
Other
road safety engineering methods include roundabouts, signage, speed
humps
and will be have been considered inappropriate. The partnership have
been
fully audited to ensure that all the locations used meet with the
governments guidelines before any enforcement has been conducted.
All our locations of the safety cameras are detailed on our website,
and are
announced on Chiltern Radio and Three Counties Radio. We have ensured
all
the necessary signage meets the requirements and the vans have been
fully
marked up with reflective strips and camera logos. The safety camera
locations are not a secret and I'll happily send a list to anyone
requesting
this information.
As a partnership in our first eight months this county has seen a 13%
reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured on the
county's roads. This equates to 49 less people affected by the terrible
effects of road traffic crashes in our county alone. As every serious
road
traffic injury collision costs the local hospital up to £1 million
pounds,
and to the local economy around £62 million every year, with a
reduction in
both the number of crashes and injuries, this means that more officers
will
be available to deal with other matters instead of attending serious
road
traffic crashes and having to deal with the family and friends of those
affected. I'm sure you'll agree you cannot place a cost on someone's
life.
If this partnership continues to reduce the carnage on our roads then
this
project is worthwhile. Our Safety Camera Enforcement Team are using
cameras
at sites with a three year history of people who have been killed or
seriously injured, and where speed has been identified as a factor. The
partnership's aim is to reduce the number of people who are killed or
seriously injured by 40 % by the year 2010. This project is supported
by the
Bedfordshire Police Chief Constable along with many other projects
dealing
with other road safety policing matters.
Please also remember that all monies are sent directly to the
Department for
Constitutional Affairs and the partnership can only re-claim the
operational
costs. Therefore, there is no incentive for our partnership to gain
numbers.
Bedfordshire Police have around 1100 Police Officers and our
partnership
officers are additional dedicated resources for this project alone.
Please
be assured that Bedfordshire Police are working with this partnership
to
make our roads safer for everyone.
Kind regards
Linda Ellis
Communications Manager
Bedfordshire & Luton Casualty Reduction Partnership
-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: 19 August 2003 21:25
To: casualty.reduction@bedfordshire.police.uk
Subject: WWW Form Submission
Well i am surprised.
I never expected such a long and winding answer.
However, fully expected was the NO answer to my original statement, you know, the one about standing up the road warning drivers of the impending doom to which you "kind" folks are subjecting them!
Interesting to note that you claim sole responsibility for a 13% drop in casualties due to scameras tho. Can you prove such a claim beyond ALL doubt?
I have an interesting statistic all of my own... did you know, that based on DFT stats (flawed) at least 60% of accidents on the roads are NOT caused by speeding?
Did you also know, that the DFT stats that are used by "partnerships" have been comprehensively proved to be, as you put it, "FALSE"?
If you wish to peruse the West Midlands Accident Review, (compiled by the Police Authority), you will find that speed as a contributor to accidents is just around 4.3%, not the 33% often misquoted.
Kind of makes me wonder why all the gross over enforcement and concentration on speed.......?
If you're at all interested in the "truth" rather than "money and wealth" (you claim not to be...im a cycnic dontcha know
) then take a look at safespeed.org and one third lie.org... you'll find some A1 examples of the game you're playing to the detriment of real road safety, and also the "truth" to which i earlier alluded.
If you "achieve" your aims as you put it, and actually get accident rates down, using the dubious methods such organisations as yours have already demonstrated, then pray tell, what on earth will happen to you all? Im really rather concerned that you may be "out of a job!"....however, dam cynical ol me.... you'd never do that, turkeys never vote for Xmas, organisations like yours dont want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs, you just want more eggs!
Id be interested to hear your further responses on my little article, as you really DO need to convince people such as me...
Kindest regards.
Anyway, they finally got around to sending me everything i ever didnt want to know...lol
Here's what i sent them, what they sent back, and at the bottom my latest one tonight.
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 21:25:27
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
comments: I presume that you dont actually wish to catch drivers
speeding?
Rather to deter them ? Bearing that in mind, id like to give you
something
to think about.
The Partnership does not seek to catch drivers speeding - we just don't
want
you to speed in the first place. Make the choice - stick to the limit -
for
safety's sake!!
Is that absolutely true? Are you sure?
Lets test your honesty shall we?
Ok, If i decide to stand some way in front of one of your mobile
revenue
generator vans, with a big placard on which is printed " Talivan Speed
Trapppers Ahead, please slow down", are you saying that youd welcome
such an
action?
Id suggest youd be be incensed to lose all that cash, so incensed in
fact
that id be charged with obstruction, or some other such nonsense. True
or
false?
And if i was to be charged with obstruction, obstruction of what
exactly?
Obstruction of revenue generation perhaps?
I suggest that my idea would be a hell of a lot more effective at
slowing
drivers than YOU people, and drivers would actively support my actions.
YOURS they do NOT!
Well, i wait for a response regarding this email, but i seriously doubt
youll have anything complimentary to say.
Thanks for listening, see you soon on the roads!
Thank you for using the Bedfordshire and Luton Casualty Reduction
Partnership's website.
FALSE.
The locations for Safety Cameras are chosen by the Road Safety
Engineering
Consultants who are employed by Bedfordshire County Council. The
consultants
anylyse all the county's road accident data and if there is a three
year
history of casualties in the area and these are clustered around a
particular location or a length of road, cameras may be considered.
Other
road safety engineering methods include roundabouts, signage, speed
humps
and will be have been considered inappropriate. The partnership have
been
fully audited to ensure that all the locations used meet with the
governments guidelines before any enforcement has been conducted.
All our locations of the safety cameras are detailed on our website,
and are
announced on Chiltern Radio and Three Counties Radio. We have ensured
all
the necessary signage meets the requirements and the vans have been
fully
marked up with reflective strips and camera logos. The safety camera
locations are not a secret and I'll happily send a list to anyone
requesting
this information.
As a partnership in our first eight months this county has seen a 13%
reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured on the
county's roads. This equates to 49 less people affected by the terrible
effects of road traffic crashes in our county alone. As every serious
road
traffic injury collision costs the local hospital up to £1 million
pounds,
and to the local economy around £62 million every year, with a
reduction in
both the number of crashes and injuries, this means that more officers
will
be available to deal with other matters instead of attending serious
road
traffic crashes and having to deal with the family and friends of those
affected. I'm sure you'll agree you cannot place a cost on someone's
life.
If this partnership continues to reduce the carnage on our roads then
this
project is worthwhile. Our Safety Camera Enforcement Team are using
cameras
at sites with a three year history of people who have been killed or
seriously injured, and where speed has been identified as a factor. The
partnership's aim is to reduce the number of people who are killed or
seriously injured by 40 % by the year 2010. This project is supported
by the
Bedfordshire Police Chief Constable along with many other projects
dealing
with other road safety policing matters.
Please also remember that all monies are sent directly to the
Department for
Constitutional Affairs and the partnership can only re-claim the
operational
costs. Therefore, there is no incentive for our partnership to gain
numbers.
Bedfordshire Police have around 1100 Police Officers and our
partnership
officers are additional dedicated resources for this project alone.
Please
be assured that Bedfordshire Police are working with this partnership
to
make our roads safer for everyone.
Kind regards
Linda Ellis
Communications Manager
Bedfordshire & Luton Casualty Reduction Partnership
-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: 19 August 2003 21:25
To: casualty.reduction@bedfordshire.police.uk
Subject: WWW Form Submission
Well i am surprised.
I never expected such a long and winding answer.
However, fully expected was the NO answer to my original statement, you know, the one about standing up the road warning drivers of the impending doom to which you "kind" folks are subjecting them!
Interesting to note that you claim sole responsibility for a 13% drop in casualties due to scameras tho. Can you prove such a claim beyond ALL doubt?
I have an interesting statistic all of my own... did you know, that based on DFT stats (flawed) at least 60% of accidents on the roads are NOT caused by speeding?
Did you also know, that the DFT stats that are used by "partnerships" have been comprehensively proved to be, as you put it, "FALSE"?
If you wish to peruse the West Midlands Accident Review, (compiled by the Police Authority), you will find that speed as a contributor to accidents is just around 4.3%, not the 33% often misquoted.
Kind of makes me wonder why all the gross over enforcement and concentration on speed.......?
If you're at all interested in the "truth" rather than "money and wealth" (you claim not to be...im a cycnic dontcha know
) then take a look at safespeed.org and one third lie.org... you'll find some A1 examples of the game you're playing to the detriment of real road safety, and also the "truth" to which i earlier alluded. If you "achieve" your aims as you put it, and actually get accident rates down, using the dubious methods such organisations as yours have already demonstrated, then pray tell, what on earth will happen to you all? Im really rather concerned that you may be "out of a job!"....however, dam cynical ol me.... you'd never do that, turkeys never vote for Xmas, organisations like yours dont want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs, you just want more eggs!
Id be interested to hear your further responses on my little article, as you really DO need to convince people such as me...
Kindest regards.
"As every serious
road
traffic injury collision costs the local hospital up to £1 million
pounds,
and to the local economy around £62 million every year"
This claim is such a blatant nonsense. If it were true then we have the most expensive health care system in the world. As for the local economy claim, how is this measured exactly? Does it take into account the accident repair bill to the cars involved which will take money from the London financial services sector to pay into local accident repair shops and of course local car dealers for total write offs?
road
traffic injury collision costs the local hospital up to £1 million
pounds,
and to the local economy around £62 million every year"
This claim is such a blatant nonsense. If it were true then we have the most expensive health care system in the world. As for the local economy claim, how is this measured exactly? Does it take into account the accident repair bill to the cars involved which will take money from the London financial services sector to pay into local accident repair shops and of course local car dealers for total write offs?
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