19 mph speed limit

[FunkyGibbon]

Anyone know why the speed limit around Cambourne is posted as 19 mph?

Just curious.

[hedders]

EH???

19mph, must be a special occasion or something...surely that can not be a permanent speed limit!

[FunkyGibbon]

the signs are permanent. Usual white circle with red border with a big black 19 in the middle.

I was wondering if posting a "normal" limit of 20 gave the road a status such that the property developers then had some obligation to the road's condition etc.

['Q']

Can't be legal surely, perhaps it's a Cornish thing!

>> Edited by 'Q' on Tuesday 28th October 09:21

[hedders]

FunkyGibbon said:

the signs are permanent. Usual white circle with red border with a big black 19 in the middle. I was wondering if posting a "normal" limit of 20 gave the road a status such that the property developers then had some obligation to the road's condition etc.

If it were a privately owned road, as i think you are suggesting then i do not think speed limits could be enforced anyway

[FunkyGibbon]

Found the answer on google (OK, I know should have gone there first )....

Private Road in Cambourne Village

[docevi1]

that is just daft, if more places start to do that we'll be driving round desperatly searching for the speed limit sign rather than knowing what speed to do.

For instance what if people decided 19mph was getting to common so used 21 or 18mph? It's just plain daft!

[count duckula]

I am I correct in assuming that the bibs do not use the revenue earners on private roads ?
If so then any funny speed limit number mean NSL.

Malc

[pdV6]

That link said:

Cambourne's roads, which developers describe as winding and difficult to gather speed on.

So, no need for stupid limits, then?
Also, presumably the developers designed the road system this way, so why are they moaning?

That link said:

Dr Donald Laming, senior university lecturer in Cambridge University's psychology department, said the idea worked on the same principle as the 99p pricing system in shops. He said: "If I see something for £12.99 I think it costs £13."

Er, sorry mate, the idea there is to fool the idiots into thinking it costs £12, not £13. Perhaps the intention is to get the numpties driving at 10mph?

[centurion07]

hedders said:

If it were a privately owned road, as i think you are suggesting then i do not think speed limits could be enforced anyway

I'm more than prepared to be shot down here but..........I'm sure I saw in another thread on here somewhere that if a private road or suchlike, can be considered to have been "public" at the time of an offence, then you can get done for it?

[RichB]

That link said:

Dr Donald Laming, senior university lecturer in Cambridge University's psychology department, said the idea worked on the same principle as the 99p pricing system in shops. He said: "If I see something for £12.99 I think it costs £13."

This practice originated as a means to prevent pilfering by shop assistants. Till's had a bell on them that rang when it opened. The idea of charging -19/11d was to cause the shop assistant to have to open the till for the 1d change thus allowing the shopkeeper to hear the bell and know that a sum had been rung up. Without this mechanism it was easy for a less than scrupulous shop assistant to sell an item, pass the goods over the counter and pocket the note. Rich...

[hedders]

That link said:

Cambourne's roads, which developers describe as winding and difficult to gather speed on.

Heh, that sounds like a challenge to me

[jeffreyarcher]

centurion07 said:

hedders said: If it were a privately owned road, as i think you are suggesting then i do not think speed limits could be enforced anyway I'm more than prepared to be shot down here but..........I'm sure I saw in another thread on here somewhere that if a private road or suchlike, can be considered to have been "public" at the time of an offence, then you can get done for it?

AIUI, in principal, yes. However;
1) There must be a speed limit order.
2) The limit must be a "permitted variation".
Permitted variations are, IIRC, in multiples of 10 MPH, perhaps 5 MPH, but certainly not 1 MPH.

[db1]

The law on speed limits is quite precise.

Any limit below 30 mph (other than a 20) requires the specific written authority of the Secretary of State. The DfT would not authorise a speed limit of 19 mph. Therefore the limit does not exist.

Secondly, the regulations do not require that all restrictions end in 0, that is 20,30,40,50,60. Nor are they only stuck to 5mph.

There is an 'unwritten' rule that no 5mph derivatives or limits other than those ending in 0 can exist. Whilst that is not law, the primary proplem is that speedometers are not accurate enough to recognise or display the relevant mile an hour.

Any limits signed below 30 which are not approved cannot result in a conviction, and, there are no default limits. If a restriction is signed illegally, or at the wrong speed, no one can be convicted.

[Dwight VanDriver]

.....pulls out the pin and lobs this gem in.....

www.tinyurl.com/6wpk7

19mph equals 30 kph n'est ce pas. Viva Le EEC?

DVD

[apache]

KA-BOOOM!!!!

[mcflurry]

Dwight VanDriver said:

.....pulls out the pin and lobs this gem in..... www.tinyurl.com/6wpk7 19mph equals 30 kph n'est ce pas. Viva Le EEC? DVD

Tis weird - I thought of that following the Irish kmh conversion today, but dismissed the idea as I thought 18mph = 30 clicks...

Great minds and all that jazz

[TripleS]

Dwight VanDriver said:

.....pulls out the pin and lobs this gem in..... www.tinyurl.com/6wpk7 19mph equals 30 kph n'est ce pas. Viva Le EEC? DVD

Up the EEC. I mean right up! They don't like it up 'em.
[/Cpl. Jones mode]

...and the EU is no better. Same message to them.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[Muncher]

I lost the tail end of the VX on a bend on this very road yeterday, when going through a bend which had a thin film of mud all over it, hitting the kerb, 2 new alloys, £500.

Not sure how clean the developers are supposed to keep the roads round there, to what standard?