Road Angel only half effective??
Road Angel only half effective??
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softtop

Original Poster:

3,156 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th November 2003
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Just bought a Road Angel with the thoughts of it being a unit to rely on. The camera near my house was not registering and it had been there for over five years. Another local gatso unit that has lines across all four lanes (two in each direction) only seems to work in one direction.
Black spot respond with update your unit?
UK Speed Guide say Gatsos they work in both directions if the switch is made? So feel like swapping it for a true radar unit. Any thoughts on this one.

355f

516 posts

269 months

Saturday 29th November 2003
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I ues to have the road angel and changed it for the origin B2 simply because they have a database of ds2 warnings which make it more effective.

The B2 unit has more facilities BUT im afraid the same problem applies.

In my area very few of the speedtraps were on the database and I drove everywhere storing them on my unit and giving origin the website address that confirmed my findings.

That was 2 months ago and they are STILL NOT on the database at all.

My conclusion is that these are expensive units backed up by very poor support and I would urge no one to buy these things until they get it right!

softtop

Original Poster:

3,156 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th November 2003
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Thanks for that. I never realised how poor it would be and the fact you feel like you are driving around making the system better for all who use it is ok but make it the exception rather than the rule!!

streaky

19,311 posts

270 months

Saturday 29th November 2003
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I haven't found one yet that my B2 didn't know about ... but I haven't been everywhere yet.

ledfoot

777 posts

273 months

Saturday 29th November 2003
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My Road Angel has been very good at finding most cameras.
There were a few false alarms where cameras had been moved, so I simply deleted the old location and stored the new one, which is very simple really.

I have spotted maybe one or two cameras in the past that were not in the database, but that's the whole point of being able to store these things yourself.

NugentS

699 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th November 2003
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I find the database in the B2 to be very accurate. A few moved cameras but I haven't spotted any non database cameras.

355f

516 posts

269 months

Sunday 30th November 2003
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NugentS said:
I find the database in the B2 to be very accurate. A few moved cameras but I haven't spotted any non database cameras.



All I can say is drive in parts of the west midlands or gloucs, relying on your B2 and arrive home to a pile of NOPs in a few weeks.

PGM

2,168 posts

270 months

Sunday 30th November 2003
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same problem with r6-neo i'm afraid

Cheers
Paul

fish

4,054 posts

303 months

Monday 1st December 2003
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just been playing with a micro pilot...superb unit and I added and recently recommisioned camera by talking to wait for it ahuman being who was helpful and updated the database while we spoke and he suggested they prefer people to phone in as the unit is only as good as the database...

All in all very impressed.

Edt

5,215 posts

305 months

Sunday 14th December 2003
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Does anyone else here find RA can sometimes take ages to find satellites, and other times not ? More than once I've given up waiting....

Ed

pesty

42,655 posts

277 months

Sunday 14th December 2003
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So far my Ra has been 100% effective for camera's but not any Ds2 sites which are all over the place round here.

I never have a problem with connecting to a satelite.

Edt

5,215 posts

305 months

Sunday 14th December 2003
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well, I press MENU 6 times after powering it up.. initially read S-0 (ie no satellites) but usually finds 3,4.. my record is 8. Takes around a minute.

Now & again, in open enough spaces, I've waited 5 mins and none are found. Could I have a dicky unit I wonder ?

Ed

ledfoot

777 posts

273 months

Sunday 14th December 2003
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Edt said:
well, I press MENU 6 times after powering it up.. initially read S-0 (ie no satellites) but usually finds 3,4.. my record is 8. Takes around a minute.

Now & again, in open enough spaces, I've waited 5 mins and none are found. Could I have a dicky unit I wonder ?

Ed


My RA normally finds 6 or 7 satellites, and is working in usually less than 2 minutes.

Maybe your car has one of those windscreens that deflects radio signals.

What car do you have ?

nonegreen

7,803 posts

291 months

Sunday 14th December 2003
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softtop said:
UK Speed Guide say Gatsos they work in both directions if the switch is made?


Are you suggesting that gatso can work in both directions? If this is true I can now expect several hundred NIPs

streaky

19,311 posts

270 months

Sunday 14th December 2003
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nonegreen said:

softtop said:
UK Speed Guide say Gatsos they work in both directions if the switch is made?



Are you suggesting that gatso can work in both directions? If this is true I can now expect several hundred NIPs
I think it refers to those that can be swiveled around - Streaky

Edt

5,215 posts

305 months

Monday 15th December 2003
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ledfoot said:

Edt said:
well, I press MENU 6 times after powering it up.. initially read S-0 (ie no satellites) but usually finds 3,4.. my record is 8. Takes around a minute.

Now & again, in open enough spaces, I've waited 5 mins and none are found. Could I have a dicky unit I wonder ?

Ed



My RA normally finds 6 or 7 satellites, and is working in usually less than 2 minutes.

Maybe your car has one of those windscreens that deflects radio signals.

What car do you have ?


Have used in 3 cars.. Mk 2 GTI, Griffith 500, and the Mrs's Mk 4 TDI. My 2 cars ont have any saucy windscreens.. the Mk4 may have I suppose.

Think I'll have to keep living with it (not had too long) and if it persists get in touch with the company.
I've rarely seen more than 3 satellites at start up (around South Oxfrdsh. / Berkshire btw)

Regards
Ed

WildfireS3

9,906 posts

273 months

Monday 15th December 2003
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What's a Ds2 site?

marvelharvey

1,869 posts

271 months

Monday 15th December 2003
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nonegreen said:

softtop said:
UK Speed Guide say Gatsos they work in both directions if the switch is made?



Are you suggesting that gatso can work in both directions? If this is true I can now expect several hundred NIPs


Was driving in Bournmouth a couple of years back and I saw some double sided Gatsos.

GreigM

6,740 posts

270 months

Monday 15th December 2003
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Unfortunately this is a fundamental flaw with all commercial GPS-based speed cam detectors. You are relying on a commercial company to update the database of locations frequently and accurately. Unfortunately the economics involved in this just do not make it a viable thing to do properly, so they will do the bare minimum they can get away with.

I have noticed in the past that the "free" databases available on the web for use with pocket pc devices tend to actually be better populated databases, as these are volunteer maintained with the speed cam locations.

No matter which GPS solution you use, they will never keep up with the rate of new cameras being installed at the moment, so always leave you exposed to some level of risk from fixed sites. I use both a traditional laser/radar detector in conjunction with a pocket pc, checkpoint software, and tom tom 2 for sat-nav and this gives me a comprehensive laser/radar and gps speed cam detection solution. Still never going to be 100%, but I reckon as good as it's going to get.

Beware of being too reliant on your detection capability....a good pair of eyes scanning for cameras and patrol cars can be as good as anything else.