Illegal Scamera van, A127, 29/11/03

[hertsbiker]

Good job I took the Valentine-1 not the Geo last night. Scumbag talivan, NO MARKINGS. I was so p'd off, I turned round and went back to Rayleigh Weir, found it again & parked in front of it.

Went to question the to55er at the wheel, and he said they didn't need to be marked!! - I pointed out I had been talking to Tim Stokes (Super Intendant), and he clammed up & said I should talk to the Billericay "Safety" Camera Partnership. He wound up the window & refused to talk. I went back to the car, then thought better of it -- got his badge number 867. I'm gonna be emailing Tim & Kelly Fairweather tomorrow. Essex is a HYPOTHETICATION zone & markings are mandatory.....

Hypocritical b**tards. I am sick of this. No signs, no warnings. Scum. All of them.

C

[volvod5_dude]

You should have let the tyres down!!

>> Edited by volvod5_dude on Sunday 30th November 12:47

[fish]

Not wishing to spoil the fun I understood that yes cameras in the Hypo... scheme must be clearly marked etc.

However the police can still legally enforce the limits in UNMARKED positions devices etc, they are thus outside the scheme and cannot keep the fines but they can still enforce unmarked.

(thats what I've come to understand anyhow)

[Kinky]

If they have no markings, but should have had - is their speeding evidence valid?

K

[puggit]

I suspect the evidence is valid, and the only 'crime' they are committing is not following government guidelines.

The guidelines were created in order to allow the hypothication of the taxes (sorry, fines).

[jeffreyarcher]

The guidelines are worthless spin. They have no force in law.
It is also true that the police are not subject to the guidelines (unless they are operating as part of a scameraship), but the difference is academic since they have no force in law anyway.

>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Sunday 30th November 15:45

[Ultimasimon]

Well done to hertsbiker anyway for voicing your opinion. If everyone did the same, the message would get through, although I fear some would get arrested for something or other.

[zetec]

Billericay camera partnership???? I would have to question that, as living in the area I have never heard of it! The correct title for the area is the Essex safety camera partnership. There are 2 trafpol garages in that area, Laindon and Rayleigh. These are also nowhere near Billericay.

The area around Rayliegh Wier is a bit of a blackspot (at least 3 deaths in the last 2 years IIRC)and it is not far from the 40mph section. My guess would be a local with a fake jobby.

[cortinaman]

zetec said:

Billericay camera partnership???? I would have to question that, as living in the area I have never heard of it! The correct title for the area is the Essex safety camera partnership. There are 2 trafpol garages in that area, Laindon and Rayleigh. These are also nowhere near Billericay.

sorry steve,but ive been snapped by these basts in the past and the letters do come from the billericay office......and they never reply to the notes you can leave on the back (or i would have been in the sh**!)

zetec said:

The area around Rayliegh Wier is a bit of a blackspot (at least 3 deaths in the last 2 years IIRC)and it is not far from the 40mph section. My guess would be a local with a fake jobby.

there have been several deaths you are correct,including a car containing 4 teenagers that slammed into a pole and exploded......but (aparently) that was down to the fiesta and a red xr3 racing.its quite possible that hertsbiker saw one of the sods that sits infront of a line of cars with the scamera stuck so close to the front that its practicly embedded in the grille.........hertsbiker,was it a dark red colour unmarked vw transporter type van??.....if it is ive seen it in g/wakering and westcliff quite a bit.

p.s,was it sighted going into southend or out toward london?

>> Edited by cortinaman on Sunday 30th November 23:38

[MoJocvh]

.........and I'v seen fife council vans sitting with the bonnet up (with no markings) on the short dual up from the Tay bridge to the forgan roundabout.....won't they ever learn that all they are doing is REALLY pissing NORMAL LAW ABIDING people off??

cheers

MoJo.

>> Edited by MoJocvh on Monday 1st December 00:06

[james_j]

Same mentality (and brain power) as those working for private clamping firms. Oh, of course same objectives also - maximum revenue.

[tonyrec]

At the risk of stirring up a hornets nest here, this is what i believe.

Firstly, in my professional capacity i dont agree with the way that Talivans are used and my own personal view is that i dont like them at all.

However, if i was driving along and went around a corner and was zapped by a Talivan either marked or unmarked i really couldnt argue at all.
I would be so pi**ed off that i had been caught but i would also ask myself the question as to why i was speeding when i quite rightly know the speed limit on that particular road.

We can all voice our opinions about these revenue collectors but at the end of the day, everyone knows the speed limits that are in force so the only person that you can blame is yourself for participating in a scheme that is designed to line the governments pockets with gold.

>> Edited by tonyrec on Monday 1st December 10:18

[hut49]

tonyrec said:

However, if i was driving along and went around a corner and was zapped by a Talivan either marked or unmarked i really couldnt argue at all. I would be so pi**ed off that i had been caught but i would also ask myself the question as to why i was speeding when i quite rightly know the speed limit on that particular road.

I agree with the principle but I find that the biggest problem is on roads where a new, lower speed limit has been imposed (e.g. NSL to 50 or 40mph). These seem to be typical opportunities for 'revenue generation' and while I know that the limit has been reduced it is just too easy to find yourself driving at a rational and safe speed above the new limit.

My impression is that the unjustified imposition of reduced speed zones (and I'm talking about those in non-built up areas here, not those outside schools etc.) is the primary cause of the current irritation and frustration of the motorist leading to feelings of persecution and resulting in disrespect of the agencies that enforce these new speed zones.

I think that any responsible motorist would accept that a rationally set speed limit is just that. Go above it and you should accept the consequences, firstly that you could endanger your life as well as others, and secondly that you stand to lose ££ and gain points or worse if you are caught.

The problem remains that the concept of a speed limit has been devalued by the rash of reduced speed limits imposed without explicit consideration. Motorists sense that this new speed limit has just been introduced as a means of creating the circumstances for revenue generation, not for better, safer motoring.

[hertsbiker]

You should not break the law in order to catch lawbreakers. Once we go down that path, civilisation breaks down. That's why I am so angry. Matey definately said Billericay.

[deltaf]

tonyrec said:

At the risk of stirring up a hornets nest here, this is what i believe. Firstly, in my professional capacity i dont agree with the way that Talivans are used and my own personal view is that i dont like them at all. However, if i was driving along and went around a corner and was zapped by a Talivan either marked or unmarked i really couldnt argue at all. I would be so pi**ed off that i had been caught but i would also ask myself the question as to why i was speeding when i quite rightly know the speed limit on that particular road. We can all voice our opinions about these revenue collectors but at the end of the day, everyone knows the speed limits that are in force so the only person that you can blame is yourself for participating in a scheme that is designed to line the governments pockets with gold. >> Edited by tonyrec on Monday 1st December 10:18

Youd be pissed off for being caught doing nothing dangerous though Tony.
Its the injustice of this "cash generation scheme" masquerading under the guise of some sort of road safety idea thats pissing us all off.
If cameras detected dangerous drivers then i would have NO problem with them, but they dont do that. They make money and only money.
Time to pull out all the stops and take the fight to em.