RE: Keep it Taxed
Wednesday 3rd December 2003

Keep it Taxed

New fines introduced this month for failure to keep your car taxed


Letting the tax lapse on your car in future could prove expensive. Whilst we all know that a car should be taxed or declared as being off the road, did you know that new fines have been introduced to 'encourage' continuity of taxation? i.e. Let it lapse for more than a month and you'll have a £80 fine slapped on you. That will reduce to £30 if paid within 28 days of receiving the notice.

It's part of a drive to make the DVLA's records more accurate with respect to vehicle ownership. Currently they are unable to identify the owners of 8% of the cars in the UK.

Records suggest that of those not paying their car tax (VED), 60% have been unlicensed for four months or less. It's hoped that the new measures will result in that figure being reduced.

Roadside enforcement is to be increased as the DVLA want the 8% unknown reduced to 4% by 2007.

Link : www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032981.htm

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sagalout

Original Poster:

21,825 posts

303 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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The toe rags will still get away with it....
whilst the honest majority will get stung one way and another...

pdV6

16,442 posts

282 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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I thought the max fine was already £1000 or your car scrapped? Legislation for its own sake?

DustyC

12,820 posts

275 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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Phew, sold my untaxed car just in time!

DustyC

12,820 posts

275 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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Does this mean no more SORN too?

tuscan_thunder

1,763 posts

267 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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i fell foul of the sorn saga. had no idea such a form even existed but was given a fine for a rally car which had not MoT or insurance and had been in a shed for about 7 months. the fact it was in several bits as well held no water with the dvla.

but how many sketchy, knackered cars are regularly driven without tax, insurance etc and get away with it.

think the execution of these laws leaves a bit to be desired.

rant over. off to do some work now.

Richard C

1,685 posts

278 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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The usual ill thought out control freak crap from DVLA.

As mentioned before, if you are late with a SORN, fill it in and backdate it. That shuts the firkers up because they can take weeks or months to actually key paperwork into their system and to show that they achieve these ever more important agency targets, they date the entry as the date that the paperwork was dated not when it was received or entered.

Simply not filling in a SORN opens one up to this grab; fill it in and they are stuffed.

The loophole in this legislation seems to be that they are intending that Messrs Post Office Counters will be the collectors of these 'fines', so you will have to pay the £ 40 or £ 80 before you get the tax disk.

But if you have forgotten to fill in your SORN and fall foul of this new trick, sell the unlicenced vehicle and the new regd keeper applies for a tax disk. There is no provision for the fine to be applied to the new regd keeper in law AFAICS. Then later you can buy it back, even from your m8. Then for the cost of 2 stamps and some form filling you can smirk knowing that the DVLA have been denied £80 and put to quite some inconvenience. But obviously filling in a SORN is easier.

>> Edited by Richard C on Wednesday 3rd December 18:46

danhay

7,501 posts

277 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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Do you have to submit a SORN each year? I have a car off the road, and submitted a SORN the first year and I don't get sent any reminders?

andygo

7,237 posts

276 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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My son had a written off clio in the garden. They sent him a sorn fine. I rang them up and said the sorn dec. had been sent to them. They said, No problem, we'll amend our records, don't worry,sorry for the hassle!

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

298 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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I have a couple of old bikes in bits, have been for 20 years, and no SORN ever completed for them (there was no SORN back then of course). I still have the V5 for one at least, and do intend to put it back together "one day"

Where does that leave me? Am I looking at a huge fine? Never really thought about it before, the bikes have been in pieces for so long. I may even have a couple still registered to me (at god knows what address) that were actually written off but not notified to the DVLA.

My guess is that as soon as I decide to try to tax the bike I rebuild DVLA I'm going to get hammered.

Any thoughts?

5ltr-chim

635 posts

278 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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If the vehicle was off the road before the introduction of SORN you do NOT need to complete one.

The new fixed penalty of £80 is automatically generated and sent to the registered keeper 14 days after the old tax expires if you have not renewed or DVLA have received a SORN decleration. This comes into force as fron January.

It is believed that the SORN will be discontinued in time and if you do not renew tax the vehicle will be confiscated and destroyed. This was a EEC directive proposed by the Germans. The idea was to remove old poluting cars and those that will never get repaired/restored.

Just how museums will fare I don't know..

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

298 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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5ltr-chim said:
If the vehicle was off the road before the introduction of SORN you do NOT need to complete one.
I hope you're right! Cheers matey!

Motion Lotion

6 posts

266 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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Just posted off my cheque to the DVLA for £24, as i am guilty of not filling the Sorn declaration. I did not sign the bottom section(inadmissable evidence??), as I Dont mind the £24 fine , but I think £1000 is a bit excessive, especially as they have downgraded the driving without insurance to a nominal £250 . I did not use the vehicle on the highway for a period of about 10 weeks, whilst waiting for parts/then MOT . I used my Dads car in the interim,
I now have tax from the 1st Nov , and hope the DVLA leave it at that. If you fail to pay the fine within 2 weeks it doubles to £48. It would seem that they want every car taxed and registered, is this a precurser to road tolls on major routes using the high resolution blue Traffic master cameras one has to wonder?

5ltr-chim

635 posts

278 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2003
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Haven't you seen the green ones ?

(just like traffic master only green instead of blue)