Fast Car - How good are you?
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More training Please, Yes i have performance car, I also have a National A race license, but can still be seen chucking at the scenery on track...... but then again so does michael schumacker so yes please more traing for me and michael, and if I ever reach his level I am sure someone would still be able to teach me something i didnt know
I am under no illusions and I can honestly say that my skill level is way below the performance level of my modest 143bhp. 
It's something I'm trying to rectify though, by reading Roadcraft and such like and -- whenever possible -- taking driver training.
>> Edited by Bonce on Monday 22 December 00:09
It's something I'm trying to rectify though, by reading Roadcraft and such like and -- whenever possible -- taking driver training.
>> Edited by Bonce on Monday 22 December 00:09
My trophey cabinet thinks that my driving is just fine the way it is 
Seriously though, no matter what skills anyone has, there's always room for improvement.
I'm more worried about my dad, he's got around 550bhp to contend with and no trainng since his driving test back in the early sixties!
EDIT: Why Tony? Got something in mind for us? I love a good skid pan!
>> Edited by forever_driving on Monday 22 December 00:44
Seriously though, no matter what skills anyone has, there's always room for improvement.
I'm more worried about my dad, he's got around 550bhp to contend with and no trainng since his driving test back in the early sixties!
EDIT: Why Tony? Got something in mind for us? I love a good skid pan!
>> Edited by forever_driving on Monday 22 December 00:44
cant aford a fast enoutgh car to find out 
without going back too work
I prity much drive my poor littel 2Li with out any simpathy for it what so ever.
does feel rather under powered.
I can drive that on its limets no problem
the poor littel 1.8 i had a while back just want up to me, basicly I killed the poor thing.
its a few years since I drove anything with serous power so I would need a bit of brush up.
Im not a great lover of rear wheel drive, when i was working.
great fun to drive but not as pratical as a 4x4 or a front wheel drive.
most of my experiance is fast road based not track.
ditherent thing altogether.
under prusure many a time too.
when the blue lights come on
that a whole differn world all together
always a risk involved
best way to see them before they see you and advoid it all together.
many now mater how good they are come unstuck there.
Im unushal as, I never redmist that has save my arsss many a time
and the main reson im still breathing and walking where othere are not.
a good few years on bikes help alot as well, never did get round getting a bike licence
must remember this year to take a quicky test.
thats the easy bit the hard bit is getting the mrs on the back.
my skid controls prity good realy do think every one sould have a bit of time on a skid pan.
going side way in the rain with 3 cop cars bhind you is not the best of ways to learn it. trust me
but theres alway something new too learn and pratis
advanced training is always a good idear.
me I done it the hardway with on the job training so to speek.
but many want as lucky and dident pick up the skills as fast/ mad a mistake or two alone the way there tHERE still scraping them ones up.
one or two i knew cant walk and have there own set of wheels now.
the bigest thing most need to learn in to leave more space.
and most of all to read the road better
ill lay money on it that even alot that mone about tailgateing here dont leav enough space.
exspecily behind HGV`s
>> Edited by Roadrage on Monday 22 December 03:21
without going back too work
I prity much drive my poor littel 2Li with out any simpathy for it what so ever.
does feel rather under powered.
I can drive that on its limets no problem
the poor littel 1.8 i had a while back just want up to me, basicly I killed the poor thing.
its a few years since I drove anything with serous power so I would need a bit of brush up.
Im not a great lover of rear wheel drive, when i was working.
great fun to drive but not as pratical as a 4x4 or a front wheel drive.
most of my experiance is fast road based not track.
ditherent thing altogether.
under prusure many a time too.
when the blue lights come on
that a whole differn world all together
always a risk involved
best way to see them before they see you and advoid it all together.
many now mater how good they are come unstuck there.
Im unushal as, I never redmist that has save my arsss many a time
and the main reson im still breathing and walking where othere are not.
a good few years on bikes help alot as well, never did get round getting a bike licence
must remember this year to take a quicky test.
thats the easy bit the hard bit is getting the mrs on the back.
my skid controls prity good realy do think every one sould have a bit of time on a skid pan.
going side way in the rain with 3 cop cars bhind you is not the best of ways to learn it.
trust me but theres alway something new too learn and pratis
advanced training is always a good idear.
me I done it the hardway with on the job training so to speek.
but many want as lucky and dident pick up the skills as fast/ mad a mistake or two alone the way there tHERE still scraping them ones up.
one or two i knew cant walk and have there own set of wheels now.
the bigest thing most need to learn in to leave more space.
and most of all to read the road better
ill lay money on it that even alot that mone about tailgateing here dont leav enough space.
exspecily behind HGV`s
>> Edited by Roadrage on Monday 22 December 03:21
James here:
Having had some training a while ago I feel quite comfortable at where I am driving however this level is well below the full potential of the car.
Lisa has been booked on a ride drive course for xmas and I intend to take one myself later next year.
You can never have enought constructive criticism..
Having had some training a while ago I feel quite comfortable at where I am driving however this level is well below the full potential of the car.
Lisa has been booked on a ride drive course for xmas and I intend to take one myself later next year.
You can never have enought constructive criticism..
Definetly can not handle my cars power. you never stop learning so more training is always a good thing. And they are usually good days out as well.
Had some great fun on a skid pan course i was on a few years ago. finally got the hang of reverse hand brake turns on tarmac its easy on the beach
Roadrage ( is that you outlaw?)
Had some great fun on a skid pan course i was on a few years ago. finally got the hang of reverse hand brake turns on tarmac
its easy on the beach Roadrage ( is that you outlaw?)
rviant said:
Definetly can not handle my cars power. you never stop learning so more training is always a good thing. And they are usually good days out as well.
Had some great fun on a skid pan course i was on a few years ago. finally got the hang of reverse hand brake turns on tarmac
Roadrage ( is that you outlaw?)
yes
I know for a fact my car is more capable than me! However with all of the advanced electronics onboard, it is pretty difficult to get it wrong! (Unless you turn the ESP off of course )
I would love more training - but of the type that gives me a big airfield to play in so that I can find out the limits of me/my car. More importantly to find out how the car reacts on the limit, so that if this ever does happen I've seen the situation before and can hopefully react quicker.
Would love some skid pan training too.... after coming over the moors at -4oC with a road virtually made of ice!
) I would love more training - but of the type that gives me a big airfield to play in so that I can find out the limits of me/my car. More importantly to find out how the car reacts on the limit, so that if this ever does happen I've seen the situation before and can hopefully react quicker.
Would love some skid pan training too.... after coming over the moors at -4oC with a road virtually made of ice!
Im under no illusions at all that the GT4 can outdrive me!
Levels of grip are such that i havent managed a slide in it , even at hyper speeds cornering in the wet.
Ive obviously not reached ITs limits, even if i have reached mine!
Extra training? Oh yes no problems with recieving extra instruction, bring it on, theres ALWAYS more to learn.
Anyone who thinks they know it all (Michael Shumacher excluded) is delusional.
Levels of grip are such that i havent managed a slide in it , even at hyper speeds cornering in the wet.
Ive obviously not reached ITs limits, even if i have reached mine!
Extra training? Oh yes no problems with recieving extra instruction, bring it on, theres ALWAYS more to learn.
Anyone who thinks they know it all (Michael Shumacher excluded) is delusional.
Good Question Tony: I like them, keep em coming.
I have a very bad habit of "Exloring" the limits of every vehicle I have owned on day 1! (of course I've checked em over first). Now this is definately not the correct method but I find it's better to know now than find out later. However most cars I have had have scared the crap outta me at some point, which is a good thing I think.
It's also very easy to get complacent, every car can exceed the capabilities of most A-B roads if you try hard enough, it's applying what you know or gather about the road ahead that makes the difference.
I don't think you can ever learn enough or practice every situation & scenario, but it's good to know what to expect, in fact I'd say its vital.
You can't beat being scared.................
>> Edited by cptsideways on Monday 22 December 09:27
I have a very bad habit of "Exloring" the limits of every vehicle I have owned on day 1! (of course I've checked em over first). Now this is definately not the correct method but I find it's better to know now than find out later. However most cars I have had have scared the crap outta me at some point, which is a good thing I think.
It's also very easy to get complacent, every car can exceed the capabilities of most A-B roads if you try hard enough, it's applying what you know or gather about the road ahead that makes the difference.
I don't think you can ever learn enough or practice every situation & scenario, but it's good to know what to expect, in fact I'd say its vital.
You can't beat being scared.................
>> Edited by cptsideways on Monday 22 December 09:27
Training, training and more training.
Its what we all need and the main thrust of a common sense argument against the rabid use of speed cameras as a blanket method of road safety enforcement.
I have spent time at the wet handling circuits at MIRA and the B-road facilities in a previous job, mainly with professional insructors and racing drivers.
Currently drive a Celica, but that still more that capable of killing me (or most perople) in the wrong circumstances.
More training for all, please.
Its what we all need and the main thrust of a common sense argument against the rabid use of speed cameras as a blanket method of road safety enforcement.
I have spent time at the wet handling circuits at MIRA and the B-road facilities in a previous job, mainly with professional insructors and racing drivers.
Currently drive a Celica, but that still more that capable of killing me (or most perople) in the wrong circumstances.
More training for all, please.
Ive had 5 days advanced training on the airfield with www.1stlotus.com and some sessions on track...I also drive 35K miles a year for work...and can say in all honesty I cant (and dont want to) reach the limits of my car (Elise S2, 210bhp) on the road. On track It usually takes all morning to build up enough confidence to approach the limits....then the instructor gets in and makes it all look so easy !
I think its like any skill/hobby/sport in life really - the more you get into it, the more you realise that theres always more to learn..and the further you want to go with that particular skill the harder it gets to make improvements.
>> Edited by bogie on Monday 22 December 10:01
! I think its like any skill/hobby/sport in life really - the more you get into it, the more you realise that theres always more to learn..and the further you want to go with that particular skill the harder it gets to make improvements.
>> Edited by bogie on Monday 22 December 10:01
Well, despite skid training, IAM membership etc, I have no hesitation in saying that as far as my cars go, I am the weakest link . I have an idea of how far I can push the B on twisty roads, and I like to think I can control what she does, but now and then she does bite back. As for the XJS, all I can expect is that she grudgingly does what I want.
More training is a very good idea, you can never have enough. I'm looking to do a ride-drive course, and I'd also like to do one of those rally-driving courses (I saw one that was two days in the welsh forests
).
Of course, our roads would be far safer if everyone was forced to do more training. One other point, how many people take into account how they are feeling before driving? Its very easy to drive fast on the way home from the office, forgetting how tired you are after a hard day pushing the mouse about!!
Sheepy
. I have an idea of how far I can push the B on twisty roads, and I like to think I can control what she does, but now and then she does bite back. As for the XJS, all I can expect is that she grudgingly does what I want. More training is a very good idea, you can never have enough. I'm looking to do a ride-drive course, and I'd also like to do one of those rally-driving courses (I saw one that was two days in the welsh forests
). Of course, our roads would be far safer if everyone was forced to do more training. One other point, how many people take into account how they are feeling before driving? Its very easy to drive fast on the way home from the office, forgetting how tired you are after a hard day pushing the mouse about!!
Sheepy
I'll join everyone else in saying that I know that I could do with more training.
Although I do wonder whether learning the limits of the car is a good idea. At the moment I consider that I drive within my limits, and I know that ifI drive outside my limits I am still likely to be within the cars limits and therefore it may not go quite as pear shaped as it could!
If on the other hand I aim to drive within the cars limits and then manage to exceed them theres every chance of it going very pear-shaped!
However training is needed to keep me on the ball, ensure my observation skills are enhanced, and bad habits don't escalate.
The main problem with extra training though is the cost and time needed.
I did do a half day course up in the Midlands. The most remarkable thing was the lack of traffic around!
It was interesting to read in the paper at the weekend about these speed awareness courses run by some forces instead of points and fines. All forces should be offering these!
Although I do wonder whether learning the limits of the car is a good idea. At the moment I consider that I drive within my limits, and I know that ifI drive outside my limits I am still likely to be within the cars limits and therefore it may not go quite as pear shaped as it could!
If on the other hand I aim to drive within the cars limits and then manage to exceed them theres every chance of it going very pear-shaped!
However training is needed to keep me on the ball, ensure my observation skills are enhanced, and bad habits don't escalate.
The main problem with extra training though is the cost and time needed.
I did do a half day course up in the Midlands. The most remarkable thing was the lack of traffic around!
It was interesting to read in the paper at the weekend about these speed awareness courses run by some forces instead of points and fines. All forces should be offering these!
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