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puggti said:
How Much,
Where from,
Are they legal?
Any one got any information or does anyone "know a friend" who has one?
between £200 - £400. Legal is a grey area at the moment and some bods on here have been asked to er, remove it if found in the car. AFAIK no specific case law with precedent cases yet, but you could become he first
Hi,
I think I may have mentioned this a while ago, but I was told recently by a Trafpol (any BiBs here feel free to correct me..) that any jammer causes a consistent error code on the gun itself - so they know what you are up to.
However, if the unit is OFF when they pull you (not standby, but actually switched off) then the onus is on them to prove that you had it ON at the time.
Totally off the record, he was of the opinion that providing you turned it off after jamming the gun there wasn't a lot he would do. Except administer a stern roadside bollocking, of course.
Don't know if this is how the majority feel - just this particular guy. Nice to meet a sensible one for a change - even let me have a go on the gun!
Interestingly, he was of the opinion that anyone who used GPS or radar detectors was probably a better driver becasue they tend to pay more attention to road ahead!
I think I may have mentioned this a while ago, but I was told recently by a Trafpol (any BiBs here feel free to correct me..) that any jammer causes a consistent error code on the gun itself - so they know what you are up to.
However, if the unit is OFF when they pull you (not standby, but actually switched off) then the onus is on them to prove that you had it ON at the time.
Totally off the record, he was of the opinion that providing you turned it off after jamming the gun there wasn't a lot he would do. Except administer a stern roadside bollocking, of course.
Don't know if this is how the majority feel - just this particular guy. Nice to meet a sensible one for a change - even let me have a go on the gun!
Interestingly, he was of the opinion that anyone who used GPS or radar detectors was probably a better driver becasue they tend to pay more attention to road ahead!
Errr. Radar jammers jam radar. And as such emit E/M at radar frequencies. Which you need a licence for. Detectors are legal, as they emit nothing. Jammers break some radio transmissions act.
Laser Jammers jam laser guns by basically swamping them with a return pulse. They're called blinders for a reason. As it's E/M in infrared range, it's pretty tricky to ban you emitting it as other sources of light are then illegal as well. So they *could* do you for obstruction of justice, but would have to prove you were using the jammer. As long as you tun it off and let the gun get a 2nd reading (within the limit) they'll probably let it slide. Unless you were doing something *really* stupid.
Laser Jammers jam laser guns by basically swamping them with a return pulse. They're called blinders for a reason. As it's E/M in infrared range, it's pretty tricky to ban you emitting it as other sources of light are then illegal as well. So they *could* do you for obstruction of justice, but would have to prove you were using the jammer. As long as you tun it off and let the gun get a 2nd reading (within the limit) they'll probably let it slide. Unless you were doing something *really* stupid.
Mr E said:
Errr. Radar jammers jam radar. And as such emit E/M at radar frequencies. Which you need a licence for. Detectors are legal, as they emit nothing. Jammers break some radio transmissions act.
Laser Jammers jam laser guns by basically swamping them with a return pulse. They're called blinders for a reason. As it's E/M in infrared range, it's pretty tricky to ban you emitting it as other sources of light are then illegal as well. So they *could* do you for obstruction of justice, but would have to prove you were using the jammer. As long as you tun it off and let the gun get a 2nd reading (within the limit) they'll probably let it slide. Unless you were doing something *really* stupid.
Yes, something really stupid such as the clown in South Wales who fitted a laser jammer then spent his days speeding through laser traps. He was told he was to be charged with perverting the course of justice but I understand this was later dropped.
Tafia said:
Mr E said:
Errr. Radar jammers jam radar. And as such emit E/M at radar frequencies. Which you need a licence for. Detectors are legal, as they emit nothing. Jammers break some radio transmissions act.
Laser Jammers jam laser guns by basically swamping them with a return pulse. They're called blinders for a reason. As it's E/M in infrared range, it's pretty tricky to ban you emitting it as other sources of light are then illegal as well. So they *could* do you for obstruction of justice, but would have to prove you were using the jammer. As long as you tun it off and let the gun get a 2nd reading (within the limit) they'll probably let it slide. Unless you were doing something *really* stupid.
Yes, something really stupid such as the clown in South Wales who fitted a laser jammer then spent his days speeding through laser traps. He was told he was to be charged with perverting the course of justice but I understand this was later dropped.
I think he was given a caution in the end.
I know someone with a laser diffuser and it works just fine just remember to turn it off if the buzzer sounds.
>> Edited yet again by Steff on Wednesday 7th January 14:11
>> Edited by Steff on Wednesday 7th January 14:13
Laser jammers block anything with laser (assuming they detect the initial pulse). So most of the handheld stuff basically. Scamera vans are usually laser as well.
Gatso's are radar, so your GPS unit pics them up. Mini-gatsos are radar, and can be moved, so are a problem.
Specs work on average speed, and truvlos (spelling?) are induction loops. Both handled by the GPS unit.
Your eyes and brain will have to deal with VASCAR.
Basically, an Origin B2 GPS system (or the like) with the additional radar detector (100 squid) and laser jammer (approx 300 molluscs) and that's most eventualitys covered.
Gatso's are radar, so your GPS unit pics them up. Mini-gatsos are radar, and can be moved, so are a problem.
Specs work on average speed, and truvlos (spelling?) are induction loops. Both handled by the GPS unit.
Your eyes and brain will have to deal with VASCAR.
Basically, an Origin B2 GPS system (or the like) with the additional radar detector (100 squid) and laser jammer (approx 300 molluscs) and that's most eventualitys covered.
I'Ve never quite understood the reliance people make on such equipment.
Both times I was caught speeding (both FPN's so only just over) was by VASCAR. I'm afraid to say that bother were marked cars but, hey, I was young and daft. This was before my IAM and RoSPA days.
My solution is to keep my eyes peeled and drop the speed if I see anything slightly dodgy and then ramp it up again if all is clear.
I've got a mate who has a detector and he actually didn't want to lend it to me to check it out because he felt "vulnerable" without it. Mmmm.
Just my 2p.
Both times I was caught speeding (both FPN's so only just over) was by VASCAR. I'm afraid to say that bother were marked cars but, hey, I was young and daft. This was before my IAM and RoSPA days.
My solution is to keep my eyes peeled and drop the speed if I see anything slightly dodgy and then ramp it up again if all is clear.
I've got a mate who has a detector and he actually didn't want to lend it to me to check it out because he felt "vulnerable" without it. Mmmm.
Just my 2p.
Mr2Mike said:
Radar jammers are, and always have been illegal.
Amazing as it may seem, radar jammers are in fact legal in the UK, their usage having been tested in Court. For more information click on this link and scroll down to the paragraph "Are Laser Jammers legal in the UK" - and yes, it does talk about the legality of RADAR jammers.
Nope, RADAR jammers are definitely illegal. The only one that ever worked was the Stealth VRCD and that was outlawed by the FCC as soon as they found it for belting out Ka band microwaves. To jam RADAR you have to transmit on a licenced frequency. You won't get a licence and thus it's illegal. LASER jamming is not illegal in that there's no law against tranmitting Infra-Red (they'd have to ban every TV remote in the country) but they prolly can get you on obstruction of justice it you are abusing it as mentioned before.
I couldn't see any mention of RADAR jamming on the link, just LIDAR/LASER jamming. If they say RADAR jamming is legal they're wrong - no two ways about it unless someone found a way on doing it without Tx'ing in the Ka/K/X Microwave bands. I had a so-called RADAR jammer called a Mirage 2001 by Phantom Technology. It supposedly reflected RADAR signals but applied an 'fm chirp' onto the return to cock them up. It was a load of bollocks and didn't work at all. The unit was a scam and when I ripped it apart the hopeless waveguide antenna and crude electronics couldn't have done $hit. Good job I got it free.
As I said the only one that worked was the stealth VRCD. See this old article which is very interesting... :
www.escortradar.com/jammer.htm
www.radartest.com/JOS.html
Edited to add second link which is similar but very good also
>> Edited by roop on Wednesday 7th January 22:20
I couldn't see any mention of RADAR jamming on the link, just LIDAR/LASER jamming. If they say RADAR jamming is legal they're wrong - no two ways about it unless someone found a way on doing it without Tx'ing in the Ka/K/X Microwave bands. I had a so-called RADAR jammer called a Mirage 2001 by Phantom Technology. It supposedly reflected RADAR signals but applied an 'fm chirp' onto the return to cock them up. It was a load of bollocks and didn't work at all. The unit was a scam and when I ripped it apart the hopeless waveguide antenna and crude electronics couldn't have done $hit. Good job I got it free.
As I said the only one that worked was the stealth VRCD. See this old article which is very interesting... :
www.escortradar.com/jammer.htm
www.radartest.com/JOS.html
Edited to add second link which is similar but very good also
Deadly Dog said:
Mr2Mike said:
Radar jammers are, and always have been illegal.
Amazing as it may seem, radar jammers are in fact legal in the UK, their usage having been tested in Court. For more information click on this link and scroll down to the paragraph "Are Laser Jammers legal in the UK" - and yes, it does talk about the legality of RADAR jammers.
>> Edited by roop on Wednesday 7th January 22:20
roop said:
Nope, RADAR jammers are definitely illegal. The only one that ever worked was the Stealth VRCD and that was outlawed by the FCC as soon as they found it for belting out Ka band microwaves.
It's the Radiocommunications Agency in the UK, the FCC is the US equivalent. They don't need to be outlawed as such, and I don't think they can be prevented from being sold (I *think*) but as soon as they are used they are illegal.
Gareth
Deadly Dog said:
Amazing as it may seem, radar jammers are in fact legal in the UK, their usage having been tested in Court. For more information click on this link and scroll down to the paragraph "Are Laser Jammers legal in the UK" - and yes, it does talk about the legality of RADAR jammers.
roop said:I accept the arguments about the essential differences between LASER and RADAR. Nevertheless it would seem from the statement, "simply surrounding an object (e.g. a car) with transmitted radio/micro waves is not an illegal act" in the link above, that a device covered by the WTA1947 that emits a radiated signal in response to a stimulus (e.g. a LASER jammer that fires when hit by a LASER) could be described as transmitting to a receiver.
Nope, RADAR jammers are definitely illegal. ...
Without knowing the details of the case referred to, it does appear that the device in question might have been continuously transmitting. It might also have been the case that an omni-directional aerial was used.
Now, I don't know whether the WTA1947 or any other later/amended legislation might be invoked to prosecute the user of a LASER jammer, but the action of the device is to "return fire" and the transmission is essentially uni-directional (that is, too, usually forwards).
Streaky
You're quite right, it's the RA here. The only reason I mentioned the FCC was because the Stealth VRCD never made it to the UK. The FCC outlawed it before it got over here. The newer DSP based RADAR gear easily outwits the VRCD anyways.
g_attrill said:
Nope, RADAR jammers are definitely illegal. The only one that ever worked was the Stealth VRCD and that was outlawed by the FCC as soon as they found it for belting out Ka band microwaves.
It's the Radiocommunications Agency in the UK, the FCC is the US equivalent. They don't need to be outlawed as such, and I don't think they can be prevented from being sold (I *think*) but as soon as they are used they are illegal.
Gareth
I'd be inclined to argue that a LASER jammer was making a blind broadcast in response to the detection of a particular IR wavelength and not to a specific receiver or receivers. I know what you mean about it Tx-ing based on the Rx of a particular signal and not a continuous Tx.
The jammers themselves use either a bank of high-powered IR LED's (as with the Snooper SLD-920) or a single GaAs diode (as with the Laser Echo 850). Incidentally, the article at speed-trap.co.uk suggesting the LE-850 is now the SLD-920 is incorrect - they are completely different.
Defo illegal to jam RADAR though.
>> Edited by roop on Thursday 8th January 13:43
The jammers themselves use either a bank of high-powered IR LED's (as with the Snooper SLD-920) or a single GaAs diode (as with the Laser Echo 850). Incidentally, the article at speed-trap.co.uk suggesting the LE-850 is now the SLD-920 is incorrect - they are completely different.
Defo illegal to jam RADAR though.
streaky said:
I accept the arguments about the essential differences between LASER and RADAR. Nevertheless it would seem from the statement, "simply surrounding an object (e.g. a car) with transmitted radio/micro waves is not an illegal act" in the link above, that a device covered by the WTA1947 that emits a radiated signal in response to a stimulus (e.g. a LASER jammer that fires when hit by a LASER) could be described as transmitting to a receiver.
Without knowing the details of the case referred to, it does appear that the device in question might have been continuously transmitting. It might also have been the case that an omni-directional aerial was used.
Now, I don't know whether the WTA1947 or any other later/amended legislation might be invoked to prosecute the user of a LASER jammer, but the action of the device is to "return fire" and the transmission is essentially uni-directional (that is, too, usually forwards).
Streaky
>> Edited by roop on Thursday 8th January 13:43
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