Crash for cash man jailed
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sday12

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5,067 posts

240 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8318...


Anyone here been affected by him of other suspected fraudsters?

zcacogp

11,239 posts

273 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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No, but I read the article and thought that 4 1/2 years was a LOT of time for that. (This isn't a bad thing - scum like this deserve a good hard punishment, although that is pretty much exactly NOT what he will be getting. 12 Months in an open jail, more like. With playstation and a pool table and free board and lodgings.)

I also noticed that he was banned from driving for LESS time than his sentence. I guess he won't be using any of the cars set aside for inmates use at the open prison then ... rolleyes

Odds of the insurance companies and the insured who were scammed being recompensed? Nill, nada, zip.

Did I say scum? I certainly meant it.


Oli.

Marf

22,907 posts

270 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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zcacogp said:
I also noticed that he was banned from driving for LESS time than his sentence. I guess he won't be using any of the cars set aside for inmates use at the open prison then ... rolleyes
Dont bans for motoring offences start after any custodial sentences are complete?

Lil' Joe

1,548 posts

215 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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Can anyone explain to me how this works? Was he deliberately slammig on the brakes so he was hit from behind then claiming? Surely the insurance company wouls say enough after 4-5 crashes? Surely he couldnt just keep doing it, it said on the day he was caught he had done 2 crashes!

trickywoo

14,154 posts

259 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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zcacogp said:
No, but I read the article and thought that 4 1/2 years was a LOT of time for that.
Eh? You what? If you did an armed robbery and got away with £1.7 million (or whatever it was) you'd get a lot more than that. Assuming you didn't shoot anyone the fallout would also have been a lot less than what he did. I'd have thought 10 yrs would have been about right.

Edited by trickywoo on Wednesday 21st October 14:32

maddog993

1,220 posts

269 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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Lil' Joe said:
Can anyone explain to me how this works? Was he deliberately slammig on the brakes so he was hit from behind then claiming? Surely the insurance company wouls say enough after 4-5 crashes? Surely he couldnt just keep doing it, it said on the day he was caught he had done 2 crashes!
He was -for a cut - driving other peoples cars and assuming their identity then causing the collision. After insurance details were exchanged it all went through the insurers and car owners -the insurers and victim none the wiser. The only reason this was picked up on was because (unbeknown to him) photos were taken from nearby offices of many of the accidents with him a constant in each one of them.

Edited by maddog993 on Wednesday 21st October 14:41

zcacogp

11,239 posts

273 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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trickywoo said:
zcacogp said:
No, but I read the article and thought that 4 1/2 years was a LOT of time for that.
Eh? You what? If you did an armed robbery and got away with £1.7 million (or whatever it was) you'd get a lot more than that. Assuming you didn't shoot anyone the fallout would also have been a lot less than what he did. I'd have thought 10 yrs would have been about right.
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Perhaps, but this wasn't armed robbery - just insurance fraud. Which never seems to be punished much at all. ('White Collar' crime is always punished less harshly then 'Blue Collar'). (Don't misunderstand me, I'm VERY happy that this toe-rag got such a sentence - I'm not complaining! wink

maddog993 said:
He was -for a cut - driving other peoples cars and assuming their identity then causing the collision. After insurance details were exchanged it all went through the insurers and car owners -the insurers and victim none the wiser.
In which case, I hope that each and every person who sought Mr Patel's services is also sought out and similarly punished, as it sounds like they are equally guilty.

If he was 'assuming the identity' of his 'clients', it's reasonable to assume that the clients all appeared similar.


Oli.

donteatpeople

880 posts

303 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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Whether he was intending to cause collisions or not I’m struggling to see the people that ran into the back of him as victims. Surely if they’re dim/unobservant enough to run into the back of him it was probably going to happen sooner or later anyway?

Bri957

288 posts

252 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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Judging by the footage on the BBC news, they would have had little chance to brake.

williamp

20,399 posts

302 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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donteatpeople said:
Whether he was intending to cause collisions or not I’m struggling to see the people that ran into the back of him as victims. Surely if they’re dim/unobservant enough to run into the back of him it was probably going to happen sooner or later anyway?
At roundabouts, he would be in front of them, but instead og going forwards, he would go into reverse. the eprson behind didnt stand a chance, and in the eyes of the insurance it would be 100% their fault.

munroman

1,907 posts

213 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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From what I have heard from the 'trade', these guys stamp on the brakes, or sometimes even reverse into the car behind.

In the shock and confusion, and with the 'anger' the person at the back is confronted with, how the accident actually happened get confused, and of course, the 'law' is on his side. Well done to the people who reported him!

I also believe 'spotters' are used to identify likely victims, and the situation gets set up before the roundabout.

Odious people, should be used as speed bumps!

What is the likelyhood of him ever getting insurance?

And the money being recovered as proceeds of crime?

oldsoak

5,618 posts

231 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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We wanted proper policing...we now have proof that it does happen...
I could be very racially biased and say something about...no I won't bother... I think many will be on the same wavelength... wink

zcacogp

11,239 posts

273 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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munroman said:
From what I have heard from the 'trade', these guys stamp on the brakes, or sometimes even reverse into the car behind.
oldsoak said:
I could be very racially biased and say something about...
It's been reproted many times, and mentioned on here several as well. A regular 'industry' in the northern parts, and I believe there were questions asked about it in the House of Commons by the Blackburn MP.

Oldsoak, I am sure that many are on your wavelength.


Oli.

tybo

2,284 posts

246 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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I've had this attempted on me a few times. Not reversing into me, but just slamming on the brakes.

Luckily, i've always been able to stop in time.

bds!!! irked

HRG.

72,863 posts

268 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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zcacogp said:
munroman said:
From what I have heard from the 'trade', these guys stamp on the brakes, or sometimes even reverse into the car behind.
oldsoak said:
I could be very racially biased and say something about...
It's been reproted many times, and mentioned on here several as well. A regular 'industry' in the northern parts, and I believe there were questions asked about it in the House of Commons by the Blackburn MP.

Oldsoak, I am sure that many are on your wavelength.


Oli.
You could have knocked me down with a feather when I heard the accused was called Mohammed Patel.

B Oeuf

39,731 posts

313 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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oldsoak said:
We wanted proper policing...we now have proof that it does happen...
I could be very racially biased and say something about...no I won't bother... I think many will be on the same wavelength... wink
I can feel another outbreak of tourettes coming on

Scraggles

7,619 posts

253 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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not surprised, pity the car ban cant come into play once he leaves jail as suspect there will be little driving in jail, unless on the playstation...

zollburgers

1,285 posts

212 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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I did hear of this happening to 'a friend of a friend' in Bolton and apparently the guy pulled up the handbrake so no brake lights would show.

AB

20,474 posts

224 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

215 months

Wednesday 21st October 2009
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HRG. said:
zcacogp said:
munroman said:
From what I have heard from the 'trade', these guys stamp on the brakes, or sometimes even reverse into the car behind.
oldsoak said:
I could be very racially biased and say something about...
It's been reproted many times, and mentioned on here several as well. A regular 'industry' in the northern parts, and I believe there were questions asked about it in the House of Commons by the Blackburn MP.

Oldsoak, I am sure that many are on your wavelength.


Oli.
You could have knocked me down with a feather when I heard the accused was called Mohammed Patel.
As the story came on the radio in our van, I was trying to pre-guess the name. Wasn't far off.