Got caught speeding twice in 15 minutes on motorway - Help!

[roygarth]

First: Midday On M25 Motorway by a camera doing 51mph in a 40mph roadworks.

Second: 15 minutes later on M11 Motorway by a camera van doing 94mph in a 70mph.

Both are Essex Police.

Received the 94mph letter first and sent it back.

Then received the 51 mph letter. I have not sent it back yet.

I have 3 points on my licence.

Should I expect 3 points for each offence?

Should I send a letter with 52mph forms drawing attention to the 94mph incident and add mitigating circumstances and ask if I can do a 'Speed Awareness' course?

Or just send form in?

Thanks in advance.

Edited by roygarth on Thursday 5th November 13:21

[Ganglandboss]

Each time you are detected it is considered a separate offence I'm afraid. There's nothing you can do but take it on the chin unfortunately.

[Jam Spavlin]

Bend over!

[hman]

52 in the 40 roadworks, was this on the north section of the m25 in the average speed section?

[NeilB12]

I'm no expert but I would have thought they would be treated as seperate incidents with seperate fines/penalties.

Interested to hear that someone has been caught by the average speed camers though!!

[untruth]

They're not treated separately if they are within the same speed zone always, actually. You can say you 'maintained that speed for a prolonged period' etc and it'll be treated as a single offense sometimes.

However, as these were going through different speed zones they will definitely be separate offenses.

Edited by untruth on Thursday 5th November 13:21

[peterguk M500]

Ganglandboss said:

Each time you are detected it is considered a separate offence I'm afraid. There's nothing you can do but take it on the chin unfortunately.

Not always the case. This thread has some good info:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=4481...

[oldsoak]

Ganglandboss said:

Each time you are detected it is considered a separate offence I'm afraid. There's nothing you can do but take it on the chin unfortunately.

Yup!
You are now the proud owner of 9 points...next time there will be no conditional offer as you won't qualify and it will be off to court with you and 3 months cycling practice...(assuming you have amassed the 9 points within a 3 year period and any subsequent points would tot up to 12 within same 3 year period)

[roygarth]

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

[GT03ROB]

roygarth said:

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

Thought that was for 1st time offenders only.

[Distant]

roygarth said:

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

You requesting it makes no difference to you getting it.

You will either meet the criteria or you won't. If you do you'll get offered the course. Unfortunately, I don't think you do as they are normally for first offenders who are only just over the limit.

[roygarth]

GT03ROB said:

roygarth said:

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

Thought that was for 1st time offenders only.

Don't think so as my wife did one recently and has been done before.

[Puddenchucker]

Speed Awareness courses are only offered for speeds of up to 10%+6 above the limit. e.g. 50mph in a 40 limit or 83mph in a 70 limit.

[Little Dave]

I thought it was offered to those only with a clean licence and where the offence was marginal. 94 in a 70 would definately not be considered marginal.

Edited by Little Dave on Thursday 5th November 13:39

[^Slider^]

GT03ROB said:

roygarth said:

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

Thought that was for 1st time offenders only.

They wont offer speed awareness for both offences as they are the same force.

As i understand it you "May" be offered speed awareness for one count but not for the second.

You say you have 3 points already, is this for speeding? and was that from essex police?

You may find that the fact you were caught twice in the same day at excess speed aggrivates things and they can decline to offer you the course.

You can write and ask, but its a case of 1 course only. But i suspect thats per force.

IE if you had speed awareness in surrey, and get caught again in Kent then you may do another course as its a seperate force area.

But dont quote me on that, best bet is to wait and see if they offer it, the offer comes after you fill in the 172 notice rather than the usual conditional offer of points.

ETA:

I see you are outside the thresholds anyway so its kind of irrelevent.

Edited by ^Slider^ on Thursday 5th November 13:41

[mp3manager]

roygarth said:

GT03ROB said:

roygarth said:

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

Thought that was for 1st time offenders only.

Don't think so as my wife did one recently and has been done before.

So there's obviously no 'speed awareness' in your household.

Stop trying to wriggle out of it and take your punishment like a man.

[oldsoak]

mp3manager said:

roygarth said:

GT03ROB said:

roygarth said:

Thanks guys, but what about requesting the 'Speed Awareness' course...does that improve or worsen chances of being offered it?

Thought that was for 1st time offenders only.

Don't think so as my wife did one recently and has been done before.

So there's obviously no 'speed awareness' in your household.

Stop trying to wriggle out of it and take your punishment like a man.

Of course if any of them were delivered outside of the 14 day period...

[Mill Wheel]

If ever there was somebody who needed a speed awareness course, it is the OP!

However, that won't put the bread on the table at the Treasury would it!

[KaraK]

was the first camera a gatso or specs? did you not realise you'd been got?

[mel]

There is always the option that you take 28days to reply to anything they send you and get involved in protracted correspondence about the offences, the exact locations, the times etc in order to identify the driver, then you could of course ask about getting them to be considered as a single offence before you agree to a fixed penalty, it doesn't take long for all those 28 days to add up to six months and then it can be filed in the big round filing cabinet of course the manly thing to do is take it on the chin but do real men hide in vans or up poles?