Starve The Cameras
Thursday 22nd January 2004

Starve the Cameras

New Campaign from the Fuel Protest People


A new campaign has been started by the same poeple behind some of the fuel protest campaigns of a few years back.

The 'Starve the Cameras' campaign aims to stop the revenue flow by encouraging everyone to drive at the speed limits for the month of February.

Link : www.starvethecameras.org.uk

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dontlift

Original Poster:

9,396 posts

279 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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Received this in my e-mail this morning.
doubt it will work but hey ho.....

fuelprotest said:

Dear xxxxxxx,

Enough is enough. In 2003, 1 million speeding fines were paid totalling £73 m –
the official target for 2004 is to issue 3 million fines. This is scandalous.
It’s time for drivers to fight back.

Many police authorities won’t release statistics, but where they do there is no
evidence to demonstrate that road fatalities drop with the introduction of
cameras – quite the reverse in fact. Are they located near schools and other
places of high risk? Occasionally, but mostly location appears to be driven by
the number of potential offenders that may be caught.

Take the enterprising PC in Sheffield who recently bagged 329 motorists with a
mobile camera in 5 hours. I wonder how many accidents he prevented whilst
racking up £20,000.

Road traffic accidents happen mostly as a result of bad driving. The police
focus on speed cameras not because it is the most important causal factor in
accidents, but because it’s easy to measure. What they should do is spend more
time tackling bad driving, and spend less time as tax collectors, and alienating
otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Then there are those who say, “Well if you don’t speed, you won’t get fined”.
Show me any policeman, MP or other smug, arm-folding expert who has driven
regularly on a full licence, who has never exceeded the speed limit in any
circumstances, and I will show you a liar and a hypocrite.

As with many things in life, an equitable approach requires a degree of
tolerance, understanding and the application of common sense. The authorities
are out of step on this one and they should take note of the resentment they are
building up,

But what can you do?

Look at our new Internet site www.starvethecameras.org.uk and join us in the
month of February in a concerted effort to starve the speed cameras of income
from fines.

Everyone should approve of this initiative – the police, because ‘rogue drivers’
will stop breaking the law; road safety people will be happy because your speed
will reduce, and finally you will benefit because you won’t have to stump up the
fine.

Only the government will feel the impact as they lose an income stream – but
then, if they are not really doing this for the money, I don’t suppose they will
complain either!

Drive even more carefully in February and starve the cameras of income. I’m sure
many ‘experts’ will be interested to measure the impact of this potentially
unique change in behaviour. Take part, make the authorities take notice and
let’s review the outcome.

Thanks once again for your support.

Regards,

Neil
www.starvethecameras.org.uk

puggit

49,399 posts

269 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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Pffff - PH isn't in 'useful links'

dontlift

Original Poster:

9,396 posts

279 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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And neither is www.saferroads.co.uk/

Just have to keep plugging the link

Don

28,378 posts

305 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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I'm already doing my best to do that...and not just for a month either.

I could still get caught out by a mobile van somewhere "way out there" though so I suppose that's cheating...

The Wiz

5,875 posts

283 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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Always try to do that anyway. Never speed ...









near a camera that is.

PetrolTed

34,461 posts

324 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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It's fundamentally flawed because everyone tries not to get snapped by cameras anyway don't they?

DustyC

12,820 posts

275 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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flawed also because they say
they said:
Drive even more carefully in February and starve the cameras of income. I’m sure
many ‘experts’ will be interested to measure the impact of this potentially
unique change in behaviour. Take part, make the authorities take notice and
let’s review the outcome.


Well surely our whoel point is that we do drive carefully anyway, regardless of what speed we are doing.

Sounds like this has come from a pro-camera organisation and is their way of proving that cameras do work.

I may of course be totally wrong. Its just a guess so dont shoot me down!

GreigM

6,740 posts

270 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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This sounds like the most stupid and ill thought out suggestion ever. This will simply let them laud that the cameras are working, people are slowing down, roads are safer, so lets deploy more.

They would NEVER admit that the income stream drop hurts them....NEVER!!

Dick Dastardly

8,325 posts

284 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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When you register it says the govt. takes half a million £'s a day in fines. That's a large chunk of change!

JMGS4

8,876 posts

291 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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who are these guys? I'm naturally suspicious but couldn't it be someone from Brake or similar just doing propaganda?
Hope I'm wrong
John the GOM

nonegreen

7,803 posts

291 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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JMGS4 said:
who are these guys? I'm naturally suspicious but couldn't it be someone from Brake or similar just doing propaganda?
Hope I'm wrong
John the GOM


Very likely. A better scheme would be to all get flashed by as many cameras as possible then refuse to pay the fines.

anonymous-user

75 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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nonegreen said:
Very likely. A better scheme would be to all get flashed by as many cameras as possible then refuse to pay the fines.

Or possibly better still, everybody drives sedately to their nearest speed camera where-upon they get out of their car, affix a downloaded, printed "poster" of Brunstrom's number plate over their own rear plate. They then get back in their car and accelerate through the camera triggering the candid-camera before stopping to remove the "poster" and driving off on their merry way...

Only to be attempted on rear facing Gatsos of course.

DustyC

12,820 posts

275 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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nonegreen said:

JMGS4 said:
who are these guys? I'm naturally suspicious but couldn't it be someone from Brake or similar just doing propaganda?
Hope I'm wrong
John the GOM



Very likely. A better scheme would be to all get flashed by as many cameras as possible then refuse to pay the fines.


Very true but who would step forward to do it? If we could get the majority of the UKs motorists to do it then it would be good but it wont happen.

Another GOM

hornet

6,333 posts

271 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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I'd say the "temporary fake plate" idea would be better....this is all extremely hypothetical of course, but wouldn't it be awful if someone were to take a small van, stick on fake plates matching a talivan and drive around setting off as many GATSOs as possible in an evening - that would confuse them.

Hypothetical scenario of course, and this is in no way to be taken as an inducement to pursue said course of action, and I take no responsibility for anyone caught in the act should they choose to do this etc etc

deltaf

6,806 posts

274 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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Stop it Deltaf!

stooz

3,005 posts

305 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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JMGS4 said:
who are these guys? I'm naturally suspicious but couldn't it be someone from Brake or similar just doing propaganda?
Hope I'm wrong
John the GOM


its a sub shoot of the fuel protestors website, complaining of over taxed and priced petrol - which was reasonablly succesful..

jenkinsd

46 posts

265 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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Jeez, that would certainly screw up the system! Maybe late at night No BiB about (coz Traffic Policing no longer a priority), find your nearest scammera choose your desired plate, pass camera at speed and then swap back again, imagine all the 172's . Heck we could even start a plate swapping club so the 'authorities' could not 'get wise' - A truly victimless crime

jwo

986 posts

270 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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One supposes that if the cameras were removed, the income would also be removed...

chrisjl

787 posts

303 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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fuelprotest said:

the official target for 2004 is to issue 3 million fines.


Surely the official target should be to issue LESS fines than the year before. An increase just proves that they're only there to generate revenue, and is an admission that they DON'T solve the problem of speeding.

pi55edoffnow

52 posts

269 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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when a lady I know got done on a camera on route to work same route for over twenty years approx three miles to work and home .what chance does any body have clean liecence all her adult life. now a criminal with three points oh yeah 36mph on a down slope of a hill no school cant find any deaths history but you already knew that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!