Re: Kayla Young and Amy James
Discussion
Ive just gone thru the original thread and i was thinking: Is there something we can do? Can we make a donation or do something else to show our support for the families of these girls?
Can we do something to show our disgust at the failure of the system yet again?
I dont know what would be best, but id like to do something at least...
Suggestions?
Can we do something to show our disgust at the failure of the system yet again?
I dont know what would be best, but id like to do something at least...
Suggestions?
Ops sorry thought it was self explanatory.
i was referring to this thread here:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=72677&f=10&h=0
Hope that clears it up.
i was referring to this thread here:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=72677&f=10&h=0
Hope that clears it up.
Perhaps PT could set up a little site to redirect people to make a donation, then after 2weeks he calls in all the cheques and we then ask Chrisse, how she would like the money spent, perhaps given to a childs charity or maybe the kick of for a raise the armco appeal? No amount of money will bring these two girls back but perhaps it will help ease the suffering if the parents realise that people are thinking about them. Suggestions on a postcard please.
It is appreciated that people care and as i only found this site this morning when doing a search on Kaylas name I was surprised how much feeling there is about what happenend to her and amy (Jones).We would like to see barriers on that road and a permanent memorial on the spot it happened cos when we take flowers cars are still flying past.Also a decent drink driving campaign would be good.
I would hazard a guess that we must all know people who probably have one too many down the boozer who then insist on driving home. Or perhaps the 'morning after' types who are still over the limit after a night of bingeing but still go ahead and drive. Shopping people like that would be a good start but how many are brave enough to do it to people they know or work with?
Chrissie, as a father and grandfather I can only stand back and admire your courage. Please don't think I am being patronising here but you must have a huge resource of strength. I would most certainly contribute to any such fund - just let me know where to send my contribution.
Just make sure that your beloved child has an appropriate memorial.
It is certain that few of us on this site can even begin to imagine your pain at such a loss.
Come on chaps and chapesses, let's all contribute.
Ted, can you set this up as a proper fund?
Just make sure that your beloved child has an appropriate memorial.
It is certain that few of us on this site can even begin to imagine your pain at such a loss.
Come on chaps and chapesses, let's all contribute.
Ted, can you set this up as a proper fund?
Could I suggest donating to an existing charity?
That's by far the best means by which money can be collected and used appropriately.
I don't wish to seem uncharitable but there are responsibilities that go with collecting money and it's beyond my limited resources to set up a new charitable fund.
Suggestions welcome!
That's by far the best means by which money can be collected and used appropriately.
I don't wish to seem uncharitable but there are responsibilities that go with collecting money and it's beyond my limited resources to set up a new charitable fund.
Suggestions welcome!
You could always join the Campaign against Drink Driving - www.cadd.org.uk
I've recently joined (before Christmas)
I've recently joined (before Christmas)
The council responded to my letter to them by suggesting that barriers would be too expensive, and that other roads in the area have a far higher accident rate than the Laceby bypass.
Seems that cost is one thing and saving lives is another.
However, since you require barriers, and they wish to spen as little as possible on such measures, i suggested possibly a compromise.
I reckoned they could use those concrete type blocks that are used on motorway contraflows.
Theyre very heavy and lock together and can also be removed if necessary at little cost.
It would prevent cars from travelling onto the pavements tho.
Whether or not they do anything is up to whether or not they think its "worth it"........wasters
Seems that cost is one thing and saving lives is another.
However, since you require barriers, and they wish to spen as little as possible on such measures, i suggested possibly a compromise.
I reckoned they could use those concrete type blocks that are used on motorway contraflows.
Theyre very heavy and lock together and can also be removed if necessary at little cost.
It would prevent cars from travelling onto the pavements tho.
Whether or not they do anything is up to whether or not they think its "worth it"........wasters
I don't mean this to sound disrespectful in any way and my heart goes out to those affected by this event, but putting barriers on this section of road cannot mend the past. There are 1000's of miles of dual carriageway with footpaths up and down the country and short of putting protective barriers on every single mile of them isn't really going to acheive anything - unless there happens to be a freak reoccurance on this particular section.
Wouldn't spending more money on traffic police and drink-driving campaigns be a better use of funds?
Wouldn't spending more money on traffic police and drink-driving campaigns be a better use of funds?
G.A.K said:You make a good and valid point. Nothing can change the past. I do feel, however, that there is an intent here (and in other, related posts) to try to prevent, or at least influence, the "conditioned response" of, "Criteria satisfied; stick a speed camera up." We are also making - and being supported in - the point that better road engineering is needed and that the views of residents should be heeded beforehand - Streaky
I don't mean this to sound disrespectful in any way and my heart goes out to those affected by this event, but putting barriers on this section of road cannot mend the past. There are 1000's of miles of dual carriageway with footpaths up and down the country and short of putting protective barriers on every single mile of them isn't really going to acheive anything - unless there happens to be a freak reoccurance on this particular section.
Wouldn't spending more money on traffic police and drink-driving campaigns be a better use of funds?
G.A.K said:
I don't mean this to sound disrespectful in any way and my heart goes out to those affected by this event, but putting barriers on this section of road cannot mend the past. There are 1000's of miles of dual carriageway with footpaths up and down the country and short of putting protective barriers on every single mile of them isn't really going to acheive anything - unless there happens to be a freak reoccurance on this particular section.
Wouldn't spending more money on traffic police and drink-driving campaigns be a better use of funds?
No it wouldnt mend the past.....nothing will bring back Kayla and Amy but this kind of thing has happened before with cars crossing that reservation and if it stops another family going thru what we have gone thru then we will carry on campaining for barriers........people ignore drink driving campaigns........proved over xmas by the idiots who defaced the posters in the pubs or simply ripped them down.
Ted: I'm travelling a fine line here posting on this site (job wise - this post is from home), for me a road safety bod from another authority, to ask Lincolnshire LA to stick barriers in, would more than likely have the opposite effect.
That dosen't mean I won't go down that approach - because quite frankly, a median with no barrier, is an accident hell-hole - it might not be now, but in a future time, some driver will nod-off at the wheel, cross the median , and at A road speeds that will mean death and crippling injury - pedestrian/motorbike/car driver, it won't matter.
Unfortunately - tax payers money is spent on engineering by a simple and yet brutal measure - you have a look at the killed and seriously injured (KSI) over the last few years - which means if any other local road has a worse problem - they will be targetted first, despite the fact that, for example, this road is a potential time bomb.
I don't know if the Department for Transport or the Highways Agency have back-up funds for, lets say for "unforseen problems" - and they could fund it. Technically this stretch is under the authority of Lincolnshire Council - according to my email reply - they have to have their budget for highways under their responsibility sorted out 1-2 years in advance - hence they're saying they don't have the cash - now.
I'll email the Highways Agency officially from work and see what they say - I suggest anyone who travels this route emails both the HA and Lincolnshire LA with similar worries.
Be warned - the first thing that will happen will be an in-depth survey of the casualties that have occured - if they're all at junctions rather than open stretches, engineering will only be done at that particular point - unless "route treatment" (which IMO is whats needed) will be called in. Route treatment is expensive, and while you might say a life is beyond expense - unfortunately when it comes to spending taxpayers money - it is quantified.............
That dosen't mean I won't go down that approach - because quite frankly, a median with no barrier, is an accident hell-hole - it might not be now, but in a future time, some driver will nod-off at the wheel, cross the median , and at A road speeds that will mean death and crippling injury - pedestrian/motorbike/car driver, it won't matter.
Unfortunately - tax payers money is spent on engineering by a simple and yet brutal measure - you have a look at the killed and seriously injured (KSI) over the last few years - which means if any other local road has a worse problem - they will be targetted first, despite the fact that, for example, this road is a potential time bomb.
I don't know if the Department for Transport or the Highways Agency have back-up funds for, lets say for "unforseen problems" - and they could fund it. Technically this stretch is under the authority of Lincolnshire Council - according to my email reply - they have to have their budget for highways under their responsibility sorted out 1-2 years in advance - hence they're saying they don't have the cash - now.
I'll email the Highways Agency officially from work and see what they say - I suggest anyone who travels this route emails both the HA and Lincolnshire LA with similar worries.
Be warned - the first thing that will happen will be an in-depth survey of the casualties that have occured - if they're all at junctions rather than open stretches, engineering will only be done at that particular point - unless "route treatment" (which IMO is whats needed) will be called in. Route treatment is expensive, and while you might say a life is beyond expense - unfortunately when it comes to spending taxpayers money - it is quantified.............
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