Man strangles wife. . . . .
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Nolar Dog said:
Poledriver said:
On BBCR2 just now. Man suffered a sleeping disorder and did not know he was strangling his wife in his sleep.
Jeremy Kyle-Vine ran a "story" on the same thing months ago. Must be slow on news on R2.The JV show was just after the event, the court hearing is on at the moment!
I can partly understand this. Some years back a friend and I were held up at gun point, my friend went into some sort of shock soon after and I didn't think I had any reaction. That night I was asleep and my partner at the time, un be known to me, went down stairs. I could hear her coming back up the stairs in my dreamy state and had this over riding fear that it was the gunman coming to get me - I really was terrified. The next thing I knew, was her screaming as I had her by the neck up against the wardrobe and about a foot in the air, her screaming made me come too. Another memory was, my fear was at such a height her weight felt like nothing.
I won't pretend to know how long it would take to strangle someone, but if this guy was traumatised in his sleep to a degree that his strength was instant and overwhelming then It might be possible, however if from what I have heard strangulation takes an amount of time to complete then surely at some point he would have 'come around'?
I won't pretend to know how long it would take to strangle someone, but if this guy was traumatised in his sleep to a degree that his strength was instant and overwhelming then It might be possible, however if from what I have heard strangulation takes an amount of time to complete then surely at some point he would have 'come around'?
ZR1cliff said:
I can partly understand this. Some years back a friend and I were held up at gun point, my friend went into some sort of shock soon after and I didn't think I had any reaction. That night I was asleep and my partner at the time, un be known to me, went down stairs. I could hear her coming back up the stairs in my dreamy state and had this over riding fear that it was the gunman coming to get me - I really was terrified. The next thing I knew, was her screaming as I had her by the neck up against the wardrobe and about a foot in the air, her screaming made me come too. Another memory was, my fear was at such a height her weight felt like nothing.
I won't pretend to know how long it would take to strangle someone, but if this guy was traumatised in his sleep to a degree that his strength was instant and overwhelming then It might be possible, however if from what I have heard strangulation takes an amount of time to complete then surely at some point he would have 'come around'?
Thats a very good example of 'hypnogogia', and that is understandable, but this chap claims to perform, not a transient reflex movement, but a sustained complex motor movement while asleep.I won't pretend to know how long it would take to strangle someone, but if this guy was traumatised in his sleep to a degree that his strength was instant and overwhelming then It might be possible, however if from what I have heard strangulation takes an amount of time to complete then surely at some point he would have 'come around'?
The difference is that you could not have killed your partner while waking up because you don't have long enough. Possibly a single movement then you're awake and wondering whats going on. Partner wakes up with a black eye etc possible.
But sustained reactive movement. You strangle your wife, and adapt to prevent her fighting you off, for the two or three minutes required till she has a respiratory arrest, not likely.
Hypnogogia is a well recognised confusion of the brain as it comes to, trying to connect the dots between dream, and percieved reality. Your brain inks in the bits that don't fit. How long does it take you to come to and percieve real reality? No more than a few seconds I would have thought.
Tis lucky I wasn't on the jury. Cos I would likely have been voting guilty and trying to persuade others to do the same.
ZR1cliff said:
I can partly understand this. Some years back a friend and I were held up at gun point, my friend went into some sort of shock soon after and I didn't think I had any reaction. That night I was asleep and my partner at the time, un be known to me, went down stairs. I could hear her coming back up the stairs in my dreamy state and had this over riding fear that it was the gunman coming to get me - I really was terrified. The next thing I knew, was her screaming as I had her by the neck up against the wardrobe and about a foot in the air, her screaming made me come too. Another memory was, my fear was at such a height her weight felt like nothing.
I won't pretend to know how long it would take to strangle someone, but if this guy was traumatised in his sleep to a degree that his strength was instant and overwhelming then It might be possible, however if from what I have heard strangulation takes an amount of time to complete then surely at some point he would have 'come around'?
People know to leave sleeping dogs to lie.I won't pretend to know how long it would take to strangle someone, but if this guy was traumatised in his sleep to a degree that his strength was instant and overwhelming then It might be possible, however if from what I have heard strangulation takes an amount of time to complete then surely at some point he would have 'come around'?
It isn't unsurprising that we men can also come out of sleep "fighting".
I've done it myself.
Thankfully with no damage to anyone...
julian64 said:
But sustained reactive movement. You strangle your wife, and adapt to prevent her fighting you off, for the two or three minutes required till she has a respiratory arrest, not likely.
Hypnogogia is a well recognised confusion of the brain as it comes to, trying to connect the dots between dream, and percieved reality. Your brain inks in the bits that don't fit. How long does it take you to come to and percieve real reality? No more than a few seconds I would have thought.
Tis lucky I wasn't on the jury. Cos I would likely have been voting guilty and trying to persuade others to do the same.
I would go along with that, you would not have had much trouble persuading me.Hypnogogia is a well recognised confusion of the brain as it comes to, trying to connect the dots between dream, and percieved reality. Your brain inks in the bits that don't fit. How long does it take you to come to and percieve real reality? No more than a few seconds I would have thought.
Tis lucky I wasn't on the jury. Cos I would likely have been voting guilty and trying to persuade others to do the same.
oldsoak said:
At the end of the article it states he blames speeding cars.... Elwen Evans, QC, defending, said the disturbance from the speeding cars caused the couple "significant levels of stress"
Lock him up I say, the wife must have struggled enough to wake him up surely?
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