Motorists vs. Burglars
Discussion
From 'Richard and Judy' (apparently!):
Did you know that there are currently some 15,000 motorists in the slammer, only about 2,000 for serious offences such as drink driving, manslaughter
and so on. Most of them for minor offences such as driving without due care, no documentation, or failing to pay a fine. By contrast there are only
10,000 burglars banged up. Apparently the clear up rate is less than 10 per cent, and most people no longer even bother to report burglaries...
Did you know that there are currently some 15,000 motorists in the slammer, only about 2,000 for serious offences such as drink driving, manslaughter
and so on. Most of them for minor offences such as driving without due care, no documentation, or failing to pay a fine. By contrast there are only
10,000 burglars banged up. Apparently the clear up rate is less than 10 per cent, and most people no longer even bother to report burglaries...
No point reporting burglaries as we found out just before Christmas. Police did nothing until last week when they came to take our fingerprints just in case. Copper who came read out the file to us nada has happened. Positive note he was ex trafpol who had been injured and made some very diparaging comments about cameras and how it was all to do with revenue earning!!!
Oh, and the key point the police believed they would come back as didnt get everything they wanted (despite trashing the place) so when my other half called the police the next day to report a suspicious van parked outside whilst she was in on her own the response was and I quote:
"Sorry we do not have the resources to do a drive by or patrol the area please just call back if you are burgled again"
Edited to add the copper believed that part of the problem re burglaries is due to the reliance on camers and the lack of trafpol on duty due to this. In his days as trafpol they used to catch the majority of the burglars and other general scrote's caught!!
>> Edited by AdamS on Wednesday 21st January 21:12
Oh, and the key point the police believed they would come back as didnt get everything they wanted (despite trashing the place) so when my other half called the police the next day to report a suspicious van parked outside whilst she was in on her own the response was and I quote:
"Sorry we do not have the resources to do a drive by or patrol the area please just call back if you are burgled again"
Edited to add the copper believed that part of the problem re burglaries is due to the reliance on camers and the lack of trafpol on duty due to this. In his days as trafpol they used to catch the majority of the burglars and other general scrote's caught!!
>> Edited by AdamS on Wednesday 21st January 21:12
As the arresting officer explained,
"lots of students are doing it"
I didn't think that was a very good explanation either.
Full story:
Letter from Dad arrives in the post slit open on one side; letter in it says credit card enclosed but I could only find the bank letter it had been glued to.
A few weeks before a customer at work had reported a similar incident, so I called the police. They asked me if my Dad could have done it; (you can guess what I said to that) so they went away, came back 2 days later and arrested me for it.
Got released 2 hours later with the above explanation.
Wrote a complaint and had the local police-boss bloke telling me they acted according to 'reasonable suspiscion'.
I despair.
"lots of students are doing it"
I didn't think that was a very good explanation either.
Full story:
Letter from Dad arrives in the post slit open on one side; letter in it says credit card enclosed but I could only find the bank letter it had been glued to.
A few weeks before a customer at work had reported a similar incident, so I called the police. They asked me if my Dad could have done it; (you can guess what I said to that) so they went away, came back 2 days later and arrested me for it.
Got released 2 hours later with the above explanation.
Wrote a complaint and had the local police-boss bloke telling me they acted according to 'reasonable suspiscion'.
I despair.
Kinky said:
Were they just playing the odds game then ..... "lots of students do it" therefore it's a good chance it's you?
Bloody ridiculous.
I was furious. It happened at 7am in the middle of my exam week. I made it to the exam unwashed with no breakfast. Hadn't even had a shave. The cell was freezing and I was blue to look at.
I complained about that too. They said 'some people say its too hot, others say its too cold'.
If I had a minigun...
Unlikely to fully trust a uniform ever again. (Sorry to all our Bib, but it's true, bad things happen to innocent people, and not always at the hands of criminals!)
Blood pressure getting silly now. Best not to think back on that.
Neighbour is having a garage built. A £120,000 digger was on site. At around 1.30am two Wednesdays ago it was stolen. Police still haven't either been to site or spoken to owner, other than to give CRN over the telephone.
Wonderful isn't it?
Oh, and the digger was fitted with "tracker" device; although activated, the digger has not been recovered (guess the scrotes found the device).
Builder is out of pocket to the tune of the £2,000 excess, more than the profit on the job I guess - especially as he had to get four "navvies" to dig the foundations by hand (the cement was on its way!)
Streaky
Wonderful isn't it?
Oh, and the digger was fitted with "tracker" device; although activated, the digger has not been recovered (guess the scrotes found the device).
Builder is out of pocket to the tune of the £2,000 excess, more than the profit on the job I guess - especially as he had to get four "navvies" to dig the foundations by hand (the cement was on its way!)
Streaky
_Al_ said:
As the arresting officer explained, "lots of students are doing it"
So you were arrested on the grounds of being a student... hmmm. Now if you'd been arrested for belonging to another group, eg ethinc, you'd have been front page news and the officer would have been sacked. Same fault though.
Re the digger: it wasn't found because it didn't trip any gatsos as it left.
It's a shame to hear all these stories of poor service and ill-judgement. I'd be interested if people would name the Force concerned. I'm making no justification for anyones poor performance, but let me give you an example. The town I work in has a population of circa 100,000 people. Significant swathes of this town consist of the ex GLC overspill shipped out in the 60s/70s, therefore there is a higher than average proportion of trash living in the area. (Oh, how the GLC must have laughed till they cried when they shipped out half their dross and ruined pleasant provincial towns).
How many Police Officers do you think Police this area for most of the time? We do well if there are double figures out on the streets.
How many Police Officers do you think Police this area for most of the time? We do well if there are double figures out on the streets.
AdamS - if TVP would not turn out for what was a dwelling burglary, that is absolutely scandalous. In Hampshire, I guarantee she would have seen an Officer, within 2 hours, unless there was some exceptional reason that an Officer could not attend. A Scenes of Crime would attend as a matter of course, and the the investigation would be overseen by CID. I'm not trying to blow Hampshire's trumpet, that is the least I would expect from any force.
As for Surrey Police - they are well provided for, and Surrey has the lowest crime rate in England. However, due to close proximity to the Met. they have huge retention problems. Up to 75% of Surrey Police uniform staff are still inside their probation. Don't quote me - that's wot a mate of mine stationed at Guildford said.
As for Surrey Police - they are well provided for, and Surrey has the lowest crime rate in England. However, due to close proximity to the Met. they have huge retention problems. Up to 75% of Surrey Police uniform staff are still inside their probation. Don't quote me - that's wot a mate of mine stationed at Guildford said.
i do wonder sometimes whether any influential officers read pieces such as wilson and kellings excellent 'broken windows' thesis. to my mind its so correct, it concentrates on intrusive and violent crime which are surely those crimes that matter most to the average citizen.
above all, we want to feel safe. while community policing and walking the beat may seem old fashioned, surely by raising visibility and removing barriers, we can have a more harmonious situation rather than the 'them and us' that currently seems on the increase.
i was also recently speaking to a retired officer who commented that not so long ago, even when there was no hope whatsoever of finding a burglar, he would still go round to reassure the victim that as much as was humanly possible was being done to catch them. also hed assure them that when he was on the beat hed make extra effort to come down their road to make sure all was ok. of course, this was little more than an illusion, but an illusion of safety is surely better than just getting a crime number and fobbed off? surely fear of crime can be just as damaging as the crime itself?
>> Edited by paolow on Thursday 22 January 22:56
above all, we want to feel safe. while community policing and walking the beat may seem old fashioned, surely by raising visibility and removing barriers, we can have a more harmonious situation rather than the 'them and us' that currently seems on the increase.
i was also recently speaking to a retired officer who commented that not so long ago, even when there was no hope whatsoever of finding a burglar, he would still go round to reassure the victim that as much as was humanly possible was being done to catch them. also hed assure them that when he was on the beat hed make extra effort to come down their road to make sure all was ok. of course, this was little more than an illusion, but an illusion of safety is surely better than just getting a crime number and fobbed off? surely fear of crime can be just as damaging as the crime itself?
>> Edited by paolow on Thursday 22 January 22:56
My other half reported a car being broken into. She saw the kids smash the window and steal the radio, from her flat. As soon as she saw what was going on she phoned the police. It took 3+ hours for them to turn up. She asked to remain anonymous and they gave her name and full address to the owner of the car as the owner later came round to thank her.
If the lazy tw*** got off their arses they would have caught them red handed and in my dictionary "anonymous" means not giving out any information.
We complained to MP and got letter of appology but now she wont report a crime in fear of details being given out.
This was the "Sheffield" police force.
If the lazy tw*** got off their arses they would have caught them red handed and in my dictionary "anonymous" means not giving out any information.
We complained to MP and got letter of appology but now she wont report a crime in fear of details being given out.
This was the "Sheffield" police force.
paolow said:
i do wonder sometimes whether any influential officers read pieces such as wilson and kellings excellent 'broken windows' thesis. to my mind its so correct, it concentrates on intrusive and violent crime which are surely those crimes that matter most to the average citizen.
above all, we want to feel safe. while community policing and walking the beat may seem old fashioned, surely by raising visibility and removing barriers, we can have a more harmonious situation rather than the 'them and us' that currently seems on the increase.
i was also recently speaking to a retired officer who commented that not so long ago, even when there was no hope whatsoever of finding a burglar, he would still go round to reassure the victim that as much as was humanly possible was being done to catch them. also hed assure them that when he was on the beat hed make extra effort to come down their road to make sure all was ok. of course, this was little more than an illusion, but an illusion of safety is surely better than just getting a crime number and fobbed off? surely fear of crime can be just as damaging as the crime itself?
>> Edited by paolow on Thursday 22 January 22:56
true, this can be backed up by some estates hiring their own vigilante patrols
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