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Well thats done it, just picked up another 3 points which gives me a grand total of 12. My last 3 Scamera van NIP's are near identical; straight dual carraigeways, 40mph limit, just outside town, between 10-11 in the morning, light traffic (this is scotland after all) and me bumbling along at or below 50 with the rest of the traffic... kerrrching for the government.
I know i'm an arse, but an unlucky one! I've been almost manic about sticking to the limits since i've been on 9 points, holding up great swarthes of traffic by sticking to the limits, i just thought the dual road peeling off the M8 was a 50
Cunningly they didn't put any warning signs on the verge as there was a fixed warning plate on a lamp post just by the van.
I'm in sales, boss has already warned us all that no license = no job.
Has anyone heard of Hardship being used successfully when job loss is a certainty?
Why do i feel like a criminal? Loss of house etc, might as well turn to crime..
I know i'm an arse, but an unlucky one! I've been almost manic about sticking to the limits since i've been on 9 points, holding up great swarthes of traffic by sticking to the limits, i just thought the dual road peeling off the M8 was a 50
Cunningly they didn't put any warning signs on the verge as there was a fixed warning plate on a lamp post just by the van. I'm in sales, boss has already warned us all that no license = no job.
Has anyone heard of Hardship being used successfully when job loss is a certainty?
Why do i feel like a criminal? Loss of house etc, might as well turn to crime..
Hardship can be taken into account by magistrates when deciding on your fate.
Personally I'd take a look at the ABD. www.abd.org.uk the ABD committee are frequently asked by journalists etc to find safe drivers who've lost their licences due to totting up by hidden scameras on roads where the limits are unrealistically low.
DAZ
Personally I'd take a look at the ABD. www.abd.org.uk the ABD committee are frequently asked by journalists etc to find safe drivers who've lost their licences due to totting up by hidden scameras on roads where the limits are unrealistically low.
DAZ
Do what I did and say it was a mate from abroad that was driving at the time.
All they ever do is ask for a flight number. You're not bound by law to give anything more than the basic name and address details.
There is no way on earth that they'll succesfully prosecute someone in another country so the case will be dropped.
I'm not yanking your chain here. It has worked in every case I've seen it tried.
mail me on pistonheads@richardlack.com if you need further advice.
All they ever do is ask for a flight number. You're not bound by law to give anything more than the basic name and address details.
There is no way on earth that they'll succesfully prosecute someone in another country so the case will be dropped.
I'm not yanking your chain here. It has worked in every case I've seen it tried.
mail me on pistonheads@richardlack.com if you need further advice.
thanks misternomer. I wonder if driving a company leased vehicle complicate matters (insurance etc)? Not to mention the fact that i'm always the sort of person that gets caught 
I don't even Know anyone who's abroad just now either!
I have heard about students taking the hit for £100 a point, not that i would consider that of course, and i as i mentioned, what if they looked into the insurance aspect, or there was a clear picture of me from the scamera van?
I don't even Know anyone who's abroad just now either! I have heard about students taking the hit for £100 a point, not that i would consider that of course, and i as i mentioned, what if they looked into the insurance aspect, or there was a clear picture of me from the scamera van?
bindit said:
well Cooperman, to be accurate i haven't signed anything yet, i just got the form asking if i was the driver, but i'm assuming there will be a NIP. I thought the non-signing route is closed now. Who has been successful using this method on this website?
i think in a similar situation i'd be tempted to refuse to disclose who was driving - i THINK (seek clarification on this) they then do you for 'failure to disclose' and not speeding. I dont know if this carries points or not.
Mad Dave said:
well Cooperman, to be accurate i haven't signed anything yet, i just got the form asking if i was the driver, but i'm assuming there will be a NIP. I thought the non-signing route is closed now. Who has been successful using this method on this website?
i think in a similar situation i'd be tempted to refuse to disclose who was driving - i THINK (seek clarification on this) they then do you for 'failure to disclose' and not speeding. I dont know if this carries points or not.
Sadly refusing to identify the driver carries a £60 fine and 3 points too...
>>I'm in sales, boss has already warned us all that no license = no job.
Has anyone heard of Hardship being used successfully when job loss is a certainty?
Why do i feel like a criminal? Loss of house etc, might as well turn to crime.<<
Yes it is there under the law and I kept my son in law on the road when he reached his 12 points.
Section 35 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988
Where a person is convicted of an offence and the penalty points to be taken into account on that occasion number 12 or more, the Court must order him to be disqualified for not less than the minimum period unless the Court is satisfied, having regard to all the circumstances that there are grounds for mitigating the normal consequences of the conviction and thinks fit to order him to be disqualified for a shorter period OR NOT TO ORDER HIM TO BE DISQUALIFIED.
SiL very similar to you - loss of Licence - no job. No job no house etc etc. and these are the grounds you must plead with supporting evidence from your boss etc.
Unless you are extremely well versed in advocacy then best to employ a Solicitor well verse in Traffic Law to go through it with you and plead your case.
As to the other route advised by others entirely up to you.
DVD
Has anyone heard of Hardship being used successfully when job loss is a certainty?
Why do i feel like a criminal? Loss of house etc, might as well turn to crime.<<
Yes it is there under the law and I kept my son in law on the road when he reached his 12 points.
Section 35 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988
Where a person is convicted of an offence and the penalty points to be taken into account on that occasion number 12 or more, the Court must order him to be disqualified for not less than the minimum period unless the Court is satisfied, having regard to all the circumstances that there are grounds for mitigating the normal consequences of the conviction and thinks fit to order him to be disqualified for a shorter period OR NOT TO ORDER HIM TO BE DISQUALIFIED.
SiL very similar to you - loss of Licence - no job. No job no house etc etc. and these are the grounds you must plead with supporting evidence from your boss etc.
Unless you are extremely well versed in advocacy then best to employ a Solicitor well verse in Traffic Law to go through it with you and plead your case.
As to the other route advised by others entirely up to you.
DVD
Its a bit late now but:
1) Go on an Advanced Driving course - enhanced observation could help you in spotting these sneaky bastards...
2) Advanced course = plenty of practice at maintaining the speed limit and always knowing what it is. The advantage of this is that you CHOOSE when to break the limit KNOWINGLY - usually in places where getting nicked is hugely unlikely - instead of drifting over it without noticing and collecting points.
3) A person in as dire a situation as you and requiring the licence for their livelihood should probably invest in the FULL RANGE of GPS/Laser/Rader detecting equipment - possibly even a jammer although that could be interpreted as illegal...much of this equipment is transportable from car to car and so could be used in company pool cars...sure it'll look odd but what the hell....
Good luck, mate, but you are in a pickle and no mistake. Errr. Time to do EVERYTHING about not getting nicked again...
1) Go on an Advanced Driving course - enhanced observation could help you in spotting these sneaky bastards...
2) Advanced course = plenty of practice at maintaining the speed limit and always knowing what it is. The advantage of this is that you CHOOSE when to break the limit KNOWINGLY - usually in places where getting nicked is hugely unlikely - instead of drifting over it without noticing and collecting points.
3) A person in as dire a situation as you and requiring the licence for their livelihood should probably invest in the FULL RANGE of GPS/Laser/Rader detecting equipment - possibly even a jammer although that could be interpreted as illegal...much of this equipment is transportable from car to car and so could be used in company pool cars...sure it'll look odd but what the hell....
Good luck, mate, but you are in a pickle and no mistake. Errr. Time to do EVERYTHING about not getting nicked again...
for clarifacation on this one. The friend whom I identified abroad agreed in advance that I would name him. In Cali;fornia where he lives they are now introducing traffic cameras (operated by Lockheed Martin!) - so we agreed a swap. I'll identify myelf as the driver when he gets nicked - and he'll do likewise for me. We are camera buddies!
Don said:
1) Go on an Advanced Driving course - enhanced observation could help you in spotting these sneaky bastards...
2) Advanced course = plenty of practice at maintaining the speed limit and always knowing what it is. The advantage of this is that you CHOOSE when to break the limit KNOWINGLY - usually in places where getting nicked is hugely unlikely - instead of drifting over it without noticing and collecting points.
3) A person in as dire a situation as you and requiring the licence for their livelihood should probably invest in the FULL RANGE of GPS/Laser/Rader detecting equipment - possibly even a jammer although that could be interpreted as illegal...much of this equipment is transportable from car to car and so could be used in company pool cars...sure it'll look odd but what the hell....
Everyone forgets...
4) STOP SPEEDING!
It's not like you have to stop eating or anything; just exercise a bit of patience until 3 of your old points drop off.
In any event, loss of job is adequate grounds to avoid a ban. Get a note from your boss stating that you will loose your job if you get banned, that should be all there is to it.
Bear in mind that this excuse can only be used ONCE.
I had a guy who was caught several times in a short space of time and racked up 12 points. I wrote him a letter saying it was necessary for him to have a licence or no job likely outcome sole bread winner etc. Outcome banned 6 months £300 fine and the quote was "very nice letter from your boss but the likes of you will always find menial work"
However if the worst happens and your boss sacks you sue him as he has already decided what to do before any disciplinary hearing or court case and that is bad people handling
However if the worst happens and your boss sacks you sue him as he has already decided what to do before any disciplinary hearing or court case and that is bad people handling
I would have thought that if a person stood in front of a judge and said:
"If i lose my license I will be claiming £2000 a month in government benefits until i get it back, if i keep my license i will continue to pay tax"
They would see sense...but they probably don't...
>> Edited by hedders on Monday 2nd February 19:53
"If i lose my license I will be claiming £2000 a month in government benefits until i get it back, if i keep my license i will continue to pay tax"
They would see sense...but they probably don't...
>> Edited by hedders on Monday 2nd February 19:53
I had 9 points a while back (have again now ), when i was stopped for doing 103mph on the A303, i think the officer was going to give a fpn, but when i said i had 9 points he said he couldn't. anyway a couple of weeks before the court date, 3 points dropped off my licence so leaving me with 6, i took a letter to court stating that i'll lose my job, (field engineer), so they gave me 6 points, £200 fine and no ban, so i had 12 points, so it does work. 
), when i was stopped for doing 103mph on the A303, i think the officer was going to give a fpn, but when i said i had 9 points he said he couldn't. anyway a couple of weeks before the court date, 3 points dropped off my licence so leaving me with 6, i took a letter to court stating that i'll lose my job, (field engineer), so they gave me 6 points, £200 fine and no ban, so i had 12 points, so it does work. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff