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metatron

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Monday 18th January 2010
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Under cross examination can you be asked if you are a freemason???? Or is it not the right thing to do??? I have my reasons for asking.

RobDickinson

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Monday 18th January 2010
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I assume they can ask what they like, and if its relevant to the case, you have to answer.

Famous Graham

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Monday 18th January 2010
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RobDickinson said:
I assume they can ask what they like, and if its relevant to the case, you have to answer.
Presumably anything other would be perjury.

Be interested to see the test case, mind - I presume it's been asked explicitly before

Muncher

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Monday 18th January 2010
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Yes of course you can if it is relevant to the matter at hand.

Nigel Worc's

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218 months

Monday 18th January 2010
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and if you answer yes, it proves what ?

It proves you belong to a society that helps a lot of people, nothing more.

RobDickinson

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Monday 18th January 2010
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Nigel Worc's said:
and if you answer yes, it proves what ?

It proves you belong to a society that helps a lot of people, nothing more.
I assume if they can get away with asking the question its more relevant that that.

Nigel Worc's

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Monday 18th January 2010
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I'b be surprised if you actually had to answer it rolleyes

paintman

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Monday 18th January 2010
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You don't have to answer a question in court. If you refuse to answer you don't commit perjury!
As to 'are you a freemason' unless it is directly and evidentially relevant to the trial issue you are likely to find the other side objects to the question and the Judge is likely to direct accordingly.

flemke

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Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Nigel Worc's said:
and if you answer yes, it proves what ?

It proves you belong to a society that helps a lot of people...
...such as each other? wink

Boosted LS1

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290 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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paintman said:
You don't have to answer a question in court. If you refuse to answer you don't commit perjury!
I think that once you've taken the stand and answered your name you have to answer a question or you may be guilty of contempt of court. Better not to take the stand or look like a hostile witness.

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Tuesday 19th January 00:14

Famous Graham

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Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Boosted LS1 said:
paintman said:
You don't have to answer a question in court. If you refuse to answer you don't commit perjury!
I think that once you've taken the stand and answered your name you have to answer a question or you may be guilty of contempt of court. Better not to take the stand or look like a hostile witness.
I'm no lawyer, but I think that's half right. You can refuse to answer, but you might be found in contempt. Depends on the judge and the context of the question.

Soovy/any other eagles?


NDA

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Tuesday 19th January 2010
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paintman said:
As to 'are you a freemason' unless it is directly and evidentially relevant to the trial issue you are likely to find the other side objects to the question and the Judge is likely to direct accordingly.
I would take this view too. I can't imagine why you'd be asked unless it was relevant - if it is, then you should answer.

tenohfive

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212 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Nigel Worc's said:
I'b be surprised if you actually had to answer it rolleyes
That would all rather depend on what the circumstances are. What this thread is lacking is context.

Jasandjules

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259 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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You don't have to answer if a question is not relevant. You can always ask the judge to clarify.

For example, in a rape case how many men a lady has slept with could be relevant, however in a drink driving case that same question will see counsel get the judge's back up, and he will be slapped down quickly.

If it isn't relevant you can usually rely upon the judge to stamp down - but under cross ex I would assume that there must have been a previous relevance/question relating to it/something in the witness statement to raise the question.

Mg6b

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Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Nigel Worc's said:
and if you answer yes, it proves what ?

It proves you belong to a society that helps a lot of people, nothing more.
That's you outed then biggrin

Nigel Worc's

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218 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Mg6b said:
Nigel Worc's said:
and if you answer yes, it proves what ?

It proves you belong to a society that helps a lot of people, nothing more.
That's you outed then biggrin
Naw, they'd never have a hooligan like me, apart from "the wife", I'm not sure who would laugh

boobles

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245 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Are you one then?

tenohfive

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Tuesday 19th January 2010
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metatron said:
Under cross examination can you be asked if you are a freemason???? Or is it not the right thing to do??? I have my reasons for asking.
If you're due in court as either a witness or suspect and you have concerns about being asked this question, speak to either the prosecutor (if you're a witness) or your defence if you're a suspect. They'll then be aware of it and if there's no relevance to the case they'll be in a position to challenge any such question.

I can still think of dozens of scenario's where it might be relevant but since you seem reluctant to say any more I'd suggest you refer to the above paragraph.

V8LM

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Tuesday 19th January 2010
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As an aside, and the situation may have changed now, to become a judge one had to relinquish all memberships (even things like the Rotary Club) except for the Masons.

streaky

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279 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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One might wonder why the question was being asked under cross-examination, if membership had not been introduced in chief ... in which case it would not be necessary to ask the question.

I was once asked a question about my (supposed) membership of an organisation (not the Freemasons) during cross-examination (when I had given no complementary evidence), the other counsel immediately objected and this was upheld by the Recorder.

Streaky