Help! Some advice required...revenge?
Help! Some advice required...revenge?
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LD1Racing

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7,778 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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  • *MODS, can you please give this a chance in the lounge before moving it to SP&L please***
Ok, here's the story. My brother bought a flat a couple of years back (against our parents wishes, due to the area) and within three weeks began having problems with his downstairs neighbour. I will try to stick to the facts here in order to give you all a better understanding of the situation. The young woman downstairs seemed nice enough when he moved in but rapidly turned abusive. She has some kind of bi-polar disorder and is on medication. She is claiming benefits and living with her boyfriend who has recently been released from prison. My brother moved out after a couple of months, and the flat was empty for a while. He then let it out to a (girl) friend of his, with a young daughter, after fully explaining the problem with the neighbour. The tennant was also abused and eventually the woman threatened to kill her and her daughter infront of witnesses - a friend and two PCs who were called by my brother's tennant.

She was charged with some public order-type offence (can't remember exactly what) and the trial finished a few weeks ago. She was found guilty (after pleading not guilty) and fined £900 including costs, which of course she won't pay as she's claiming benefits. As far as her landlord is concerned she is a model tennant and she pays the rent on time. She has 18 previous convictions for public order offences. My brother's tennant has since moved out and the flat is empty again. My brother works at sea, so my parents check on the place/collect mail regularly. During these visits the woman downstairs has claimed my father has verbally abused her through the floor! prompting another visit to my parents house by the police this weekend. She is well known to the local police, and although they knew there was no truth in it, had to be seen to be investigating the claim, but were apologetic.

The problem now is that there is no way my brother can sell the flat with such a problem neighbour. Does he organise a voluntary repossesion and lose £30k? take a private action against her claiming stress/loss of rental income? but as she has no money, there doesn't seem to be any point. As I said, he works away a lot of the time so this has unfairly become my parents problem, both of whom are retired and really shouldn't have to deal with this.

I cannot see how someone with such a record, and with obvious mental issues can keep behaving like this without any repercussions. Has the system really failed that badly?

I think if we don't find a solution soon my father may have to fall back on his HM government taught 'specialist knowledge' and ensure she has an 'accident'.

Any advice (legal or otherwise) would be appreciated.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

198 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Advice? Yes.

1) Next time listen to your mum.

2) If you intend committing acts of violence against a mentally ill neighbour, refrain from posting about it on the internet before the fact.

HTH

ProfessorPeach

616 posts

192 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Move?

LD1Racing

Original Poster:

7,778 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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ProfessorPeach said:
Move?
As far as I'm aware, any problems with neighbours must be declared when selling a property, otherwise the sale may later be overturned, but I am happy to be corrected on that.

ProfessorPeach

616 posts

192 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Wait - the neighbour woman is bi-polar?

Isn't that where once a month they go all slutty?




Oh no wait.



Once a month they have a period?



Hang on - I'm thinking of women, aren't I.




OK wait there. I need to think about this.

ProfessorPeach

616 posts

192 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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LD1Racing said:
ProfessorPeach said:
Move?
As far as I'm aware, any problems with neighbours must be declared when selling a property, otherwise the sale may later be overturned, but I am happy to be corrected on that.
How can you overturn a sale?

Simply flog it and move to Mauritius.



Not Mauritius, Zanzibar.

LD1Racing

Original Poster:

7,778 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
Advice? Yes.

1) Next time listen to your mum.
My brother

2) If you intend committing acts of violence against a mentally ill neighbour, refrain from posting about it on the internet before the fact.
That bit was a joke

HTH
Specifically, why do you take the PC liberal stance that because she is mentally ill, she is the victim? she is low life scum and keeps getting away with making peoples life difficult. She is the aggressor, not the victim. If she can not deal with life in 'normal' society, she should be institutionalised.

Are you a social worker?

J-Skid

1,099 posts

279 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Couple of things:

1. The lease that her landlord has with the freeholder will probably contain "quiet enjoyment" covenants amongst other things. Your brother should have a copy of this lease - they are usually the same for all flats in a development (save for variances for specifc issues / types of flat etc.)

2. The tenant's tenancy agreement should also contain similar covenants / requirements. However I presume the government pays her rent and therefore the "landlord" probably give a monkeys about it.

Sadly, these things happen too ofter and cost lost of time cash to fix.

GSP

1,965 posts

225 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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(Having bad neighbours when you attached can ruin your life)

I vote fire... then claim off your insurance.

If the fire does not fk her house up enough, then the water when they put it out will.

Fire FTW


ProfessorPeach

616 posts

192 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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If the neighbour is a mental, can't your brother dress up as a ghost and tell her to fk off?

Or dress up like God.

Or Jesus.

Oh no wait - this is absolutely genius - the ruddy devil.

Tell her to bugger off somewhere else. But clean his flat first.

13th

3,169 posts

234 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
Advice? Yes.

1) Next time listen to your mum.

2) If you intend committing acts of violence against a mentally ill neighbour, refrain from posting about it on the internet before the fact.

HTH
hehe

To the OP horrid situation, good luck and I'd send the boys in; but on the QT wink

A911DOM

4,084 posts

256 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Put it in an auction and hope someone tries to snap up a 'bargain' without having experienced the 'troubled' neighbours.

Put on a reserve and he can limit his loss to an acceptable level.


ProfessorPeach

616 posts

192 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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J-Skid said:
1. The lease that her landlord has with the freeholder will probably contain "quiet enjoyment" covenants amongst other things. Your brother should have a copy of this lease - they are usually the same for all flats in a development (save for variances for specifc issues / types of flat etc.)
Good lord, are you Kirsty Allsop?

"Quiet enjoyment" doesn't mean your neighbours have to tip-toe around the place.

It means your landlord can't storm in and use your toilet.

WorAl

10,877 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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A911DOM said:
Put it in an auction and hope someone tries to snap up a 'bargain' without having experienced the 'troubled' neighbours.

Put on a reserve and he can limit his loss to an acceptable level.
Do this, or if the flat is directly below his, then surely frozen/burst water pipes would be enough to get her out the flat until he sold his?

Or burn hers down and nail her front door shut.

TheCarpetCleaner

7,294 posts

223 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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I lived in a place (I was renting) some time back when the family from hell moved in. Long story short, I had to move in the end as the council were utterly useless.

I don't know what the landlady did afterwards, whether she sold the house or reletted it, but it is not easily resolved.

I wish your brother the best of luck though. These parasite neighbors that go around are just unbelievable and seem to have the law on their side somehow...

And area has nothing to do with it, most of them are upwardly mobile these days. I have a mate who lives in a very expensive house in a nice area of hampshire, recently the house next door (4 bed detached) got rented out to a scumbag family. Area has turned into a dump overnight.


LD1Racing

Original Poster:

7,778 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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WorAl said:
A911DOM said:
Put it in an auction and hope someone tries to snap up a 'bargain' without having experienced the 'troubled' neighbours.

Put on a reserve and he can limit his loss to an acceptable level.
Do this, or if the flat is directly below his, then surely frozen/burst water pipes would be enough to get her out the flat until he sold his?

Or burn hers down and nail her front door shut.
scratchchin hmm, burst water pipe you say... well, 'tis the season

GSP

1,965 posts

225 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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I am sure neighbourly disputes have to disclosed in some way.

I read this somewhere.

Can anyone confirm?

WorAl

10,877 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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GSP said:
I am sure neighbourly disputes have to disclosed in some way.

I read this somewhere.

Can anyone confirm?
Yes they do, hence why we can't sell our house. So we need to kill bury make friends with them again

sleep envy

62,260 posts

270 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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what I want to know is, what has the boyfriend who's been released from prison got to do with it all?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

268 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Put the place in the next available auction and consider it a valuable (and somewhat) expensive lesson learnt.