"The Partnerships": blood on their hands?
"The Partnerships": blood on their hands?
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deltaf

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6,806 posts

276 months

Thursday 19th February 2004
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Thinking about the various elements that make up their so-called road safety strategy, it occurs to me that they are responsible for many thousands of deaths and injuries on the roads due to negligence and sheer incompetence.
The focus on speed to the detriment of all else without any logical reason is beyond me completely.
Whats also beyond me is that people are so slow to wake up and see this situation as its unfolding.
How many more people would be alive today if the "partnerships" had acted responsibly and reasonably? My guess is that we would have such a low rate of fatal rta's if the speed camera issue hadnt been seized on, that at least a couple of thousand people would still be around.
Itd be because the "partnerships" would have been concentrating on identifying the root causes of accidents and then suggesting and carrying out alterations to badly designed roads.
Instead, theyve become a motorist funded quango, fit only to spend money on speed enforcement devices and generally being obnoxious and antisocial to all and sundry and accountable to no one.
I feel they do definitely have blood on their hands.
Is the money theyve been stealing been worth the lives theyve also stolen, and the memory of the dead theyve abused in their campaigns for their own political ends?

These "partnerships" are nothing more than vampires, vultures feeding off the carcasses they find at the roadside, just remember who the "partnerships" include.
Most of your local authorities, including councils, police, hospitals etc have had a grubby hand in this farce.

Time to stop it now, once and for all. We need SENSE not speed cameras you theives.

safespeed

2,983 posts

297 months

Thursday 19th February 2004
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deltaf said:
How many more people would be alive today if the "partnerships" had acted responsibly and reasonably? My guess is that we would have such a low rate of fatal rta's if the speed camera issue hadnt been seized on, that at least a couple of thousand people would still be around.


We've only suffered from the Partnerships for a few years. The change in emphasis goes back ten years or so.

I've long been reporting a deadly loss of trend in the fatal accident rate, and having looked very carefully indeed I can find no other credible explanation other than our modern flawed road safety policy.

Here's the basic loss-of-trend information:

www.safespeed.org.uk/fatality.html

And the latest spreadsheet:

www.safespeed.org.uk/5500.xls

With the last few months included - and the speed camera induced loss of life is now running over 100 per month in my estimation - the death toll over the last decade has passed 6,100.

So yes, there are a lot of folk with blood on their hands. I particularly hate the so-called scientists who have produced reports that enable the politicians to justify their flawed and deadly policies.

Best Regards
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk

Peter Ward

2,097 posts

279 months

Thursday 19th February 2004
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As per the latest ABD press release, the partnerships talk in "magic numbers" rather than about sensible safety.

People used to use their driving skills to determine the most sensible speed to drive depending on conditions, visibility, etc. Now they're conditioned simply to stick to the speed limit and they'll automatically be safe. No wonder limits are coming down everywhere, because surprisingly some parts of some roads are not actually safe to drive at the speed limit all of the time! And therefore it's the partnerships' responsibility to indicate this by reducing each limit to one that is safe -- for everyone, all of the time.

This approach to road safety would be laughable if it wasn't so negiligent.

nonegreen

7,803 posts

293 months

Thursday 19th February 2004
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How about a memorial protest slow drive with banners and stuff past one of the scameradeathships offices?

safespeed

2,983 posts

297 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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nonegreen said:
How about a memorial protest slow drive with banners and stuff past one of the scameradeathships offices?


Something roughly similar, even better actually, is in the planning stages in one area. I can't say more at this stage - sorry.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk

mojocvh

16,837 posts

285 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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safespeed said:

nonegreen said:
How about a memorial protest slow drive with banners and stuff past one of the scameradeathships offices?



Something roughly similar, even better actually, is in the planning stages in one area. I can't say more at this stage - sorry.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk



apache

39,731 posts

307 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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Deltaf, you have done well mate, not long ago I could never have imagined that title as a topic and not a murmur from the pro lobby either.

apache

39,731 posts

307 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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safespeed said:

Something roughly similar, even better actually, is in the planning stages in one area. I can't say more at this stage - sorry.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk


I will do whatever it takes to be a part of this

cortinaman

3,230 posts

276 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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apache said:

safespeed said:

Something roughly similar, even better actually, is in the planning stages in one area. I can't say more at this stage - sorry.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
<a href="http://www.safespeed.org.uk">www.safespeed.org.uk</a>



I will do whatever it takes to be a part of this


ditto to the above from apache.

safespeed

2,983 posts

297 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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Ok Guys,

I'll contact the organiser in the morning and see if we can't roll it out in other areas. I'll also have to determine his feelings about the idea getting around before the event.

There's a certain element of surprise that must be maintained. For this reason I really can't say any more. But rest assured that I'll do all I can to support such protests.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk

TonyOut

582 posts

265 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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I'm in!

rodney59

424 posts

271 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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Can we not get an old car and drive from somewhere to 10 Downing st. with a man walking infront waving a RED flag, all going at say 3mph in central London to bring home the impact that speed cameras have not saved lives. 16th March after Idris wins at HC?

JMGS4

8,889 posts

293 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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rodney59 said:
Can we not get an old car and drive from somewhere to 10 Downing st. with a man walking infront waving a RED flag, all going at say 3mph in central London to bring home the impact that speed cameras have not saved lives. 16th March after Idris wins at HC?

3 mph in London??? you'll be overtaking everybody!!!!

Mrs Fish

30,018 posts

281 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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safespeed

2,983 posts

297 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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Ok Guys,

I've talked with the chap planning a stunt for an unnamed county. he's given me the green light to pass the idea on. It's primarily a photo opportunity and does not need a large number of participants.

In many counties, deaths are up in 2003 where partnerships are operating. The idea is to turn up at <some offical office> with the right number of coffins, placards and a grim reaper to drive home the message that "n" more people have died on the road in the areas in spite of speed cameras.

Obviously the press would be invited.

It's vital to get across the point about the extra deaths.

If anyone wants to stage anything similar in their area then you'll have my full support.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk

misternomer

68 posts

266 months

Friday 20th February 2004
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Paul - you know me. I'm in 100%

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