Judge wants 'rogue cars' tackled
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3500501.stm
They should have just dug a hole in a field and put him in it!
BBC said:
Judge wants 'rogue cars' tackled
CJ Oakford died in hospital after the crash on New Year's Day
A judge who jailed a man after he ran over and killed a boy has called for new rules to tackle "rogue cars".
Judge Anthony Thorpe jailed illegal immigrant Kamel Kadri, from Algeria, after his car collided with Callum Oakford, aged nine, in West Sussex.
Kadri, 38, of Goring, did not have insurance, tax or an MoT certificate and had been using a false passport.
Judge Thorpe said the case had made him realise "what a serious problem we have with these cars on our streets".
'Abolish car tax'
Kadri's car collided with Callum, known as CJ, on the A259 on 1 January.
He did not stop or report the incident to the emergency services.
He was sentenced to eight months in jail - later reduced to six - for driving without tax, insurance or an MoT, failing to stop after an accident and failing to report an accident.
Kamel Kadri entered the UK illegally in 2001
Kadri was given a further 16 months for using a false passport.
Judge Thorpe told Kadri after the sentence was reduced: "I regard your sentence as no way commensurate to what you did.
"The results of your driving are being ignored by the courts."
The judge outlined his thoughts on "rogue cars" in a letter to the Times newspaper, published on Wednesday.
He wrote: "My recent encounter with a failed asylum seeker driving an unlicensed, untaxed car with no MoT which killed a young boy has made me realise what a serious problem we have with these cars on our streets."
Judge Thorpe suggested abolishing car tax and recouping tax lost through the move by adding 1p or 2p to the price of a litre of fuel.
He said insurance companies should issue drivers with a swipe card which they would have to display in their car and, more importantly, have to swipe at a fuel pump before being able to buy any petrol.
He said: "I appreciate this would not deal with any lack of MoT but it would be a start to help identify these rogue cars."
The judge has already called for crown court judges to be given the power to give longer sentences to drivers who fail to stop after accidents.
They should have just dug a hole in a field and put him in it!
TonyOut said:
My brother emmigrated to the states and one of the conditions was he had to take their driving test. Surely immigrants to this country should be treated the same. Some of the countries concerned have very dodgy tests. It's only fair in my opinion.
They do have way with words though the Yanks. I was called an Alien last time I went. CRE?TonyOut said:
My brother emmigrated to the states and one of the conditions was he had to take their driving test. Surely immigrants to this country should be treated the same. Some of the countries concerned have very dodgy tests. It's only fair in my opinion.
A bit dificult that one. Blunkett has said he has no idea how many illegals are in the country.
xxxxxxrich said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3500501.stm
BBC said:
Judge wants 'rogue cars' tackled
CJ Oakford died in hospital after the crash on New Year's Day
A judge who jailed a man after he ran over and killed a boy has called for new rules to tackle "rogue cars".
Judge Anthony Thorpe jailed illegal immigrant Kamel Kadri, from Algeria, after his car collided with Callum Oakford, aged nine, in West Sussex.
Kadri, 38, of Goring, did not have insurance, tax or an MoT certificate and had been using a false passport.
Judge Thorpe said the case had made him realise "what a serious problem we have with these cars on our streets".
'Abolish car tax'
Kadri's car collided with Callum, known as CJ, on the A259 on 1 January.
He did not stop or report the incident to the emergency services.
He was sentenced to eight months in jail - later reduced to six - for driving without tax, insurance or an MoT, failing to stop after an accident and failing to report an accident.
Kamel Kadri entered the UK illegally in 2001
Kadri was given a further 16 months for using a false passport.
Judge Thorpe told Kadri after the sentence was reduced: "I regard your sentence as no way commensurate to what you did.
"The results of your driving are being ignored by the courts."
The judge outlined his thoughts on "rogue cars" in a letter to the Times newspaper, published on Wednesday.
He wrote: "My recent encounter with a failed asylum seeker driving an unlicensed, untaxed car with no MoT which killed a young boy has made me realise what a serious problem we have with these cars on our streets."
Judge Thorpe suggested abolishing car tax and recouping tax lost through the move by adding 1p or 2p to the price of a litre of fuel.
He said insurance companies should issue drivers with a swipe card which they would have to display in their car and, more importantly, have to swipe at a fuel pump before being able to buy any petrol.
He said: "I appreciate this would not deal with any lack of MoT but it would be a start to help identify these rogue cars."
The judge has already called for crown court judges to be given the power to give longer sentences to drivers who fail to stop after accidents.
They should have just dug a hole in a field and put him in it!
Eight months for being the proximate cause of an incident which lead to a dead child but 16 months for a false passport????
Anyone know where justice has gone?
The Politburo has an uneasy alliance with the Judiciary and is reluctant to criticise them in any way.The newspapers , am pleased to say, are not intimidated by the Wigs and frocks , and tell it like it is on pathetic sentence,s.Now and again a Judge with common sense, appears on the scene, and should be elevated to senior status to rewrite the Law.But it will not happen.The politburo seem happy to let them go on their out of control sweet way, while the population has to live in the real World.
The Radio 2 Jeremy Vine programee discussed this on the day the sentence was reduced.
A specialist in motoring law was on the programme, and it seems that this was the maximum sentence for the motoring offences committed. He also went on to say, that despite the hear-say evidence of the asylum seeker's driving skills, there was not evidence to suggest he had been speeding or driving recklessly on the road that day.
The young lad's sister was on the show, and made the highly tragic revelation that young CJ was only on that road because he had disobeyed his Mum's instructions. She was present in the court, and she also confirmed that the chap had not been driving recklessly nor at inapprorpiate speed according to the evidence produced in court. (She came across a very fair-minded and courageous person, and your heart just went out to her!)
This could by why he was not charged with reckless/careless.causing death by dangerous driving.
Not that it make the case any less tragic, nor shows the law in a better light!
A specialist in motoring law was on the programme, and it seems that this was the maximum sentence for the motoring offences committed. He also went on to say, that despite the hear-say evidence of the asylum seeker's driving skills, there was not evidence to suggest he had been speeding or driving recklessly on the road that day.
The young lad's sister was on the show, and made the highly tragic revelation that young CJ was only on that road because he had disobeyed his Mum's instructions. She was present in the court, and she also confirmed that the chap had not been driving recklessly nor at inapprorpiate speed according to the evidence produced in court. (She came across a very fair-minded and courageous person, and your heart just went out to her!)
This could by why he was not charged with reckless/careless.causing death by dangerous driving.
Not that it make the case any less tragic, nor shows the law in a better light!
So a Judge wants 'rouge cars' off the streets. Well it's about time these geriatric w4nkers that live in another dimention finally started to wake up. This is something every right minded NORMAL person has wanted for years.
1) scrap the Road Tax and take 1p per litre tax from the robbing b$stard petrol companies to cover it( and cap their prices)
2) make insurance companies issue windscreen discs with all valid details on them so if you have an accident you do not have to get involved with the other party, no disc - call the Police! This could be funded in part with all the money the scameras have generated.
3) all monies generated from motorists should be ploughed back into the roads, not used to prop up the Tony B liar Labour Party( £186 million spent on advertising last year! )
1) scrap the Road Tax and take 1p per litre tax from the robbing b$stard petrol companies to cover it( and cap their prices)
2) make insurance companies issue windscreen discs with all valid details on them so if you have an accident you do not have to get involved with the other party, no disc - call the Police! This could be funded in part with all the money the scameras have generated.
3) all monies generated from motorists should be ploughed back into the roads, not used to prop up the Tony B liar Labour Party( £186 million spent on advertising last year! )
V6GTO said:
So a Judge wants 'rouge cars' off the streets. Well it's about time these geriatric w4nkers that live in another dimention finally started to wake up. This is something every right minded NORMAL person has wanted for years.
1) scrap the Road Tax and take 1p per litre tax from the robbing b$stard petrol companies to cover it( and cap their prices)
2) make insurance companies issue windscreen discs with all valid details on them so if you have an accident you do not have to get involved with the other party, no disc - call the Police! This could be funded in part with all the money the scameras have generated.
3) all monies generated from motorists should be ploughed back into the roads, not used to prop up the Tony B liar Labour Party( £186 million spent on advertising last year! )
theoretically this is what the road tax disc does... since you need insurance and MOT to get one....
However we all know that it could expire the next day and you would still have 12 months tax..
Whilst i would maybe suggest that the disc should only be valid until your MOT or insurance expire.. I personally would find this a right pain, and I'm sure other would too
HiAsAKite said:
So a Judge wants 'rouge cars' off the streets. Well it's about time these geriatric w4nkers that live in another dimention finally started to wake up. This is something every right minded NORMAL person has wanted for years.
1) scrap the Road Tax and take 1p per litre tax from the robbing b$stard petrol companies to cover it( and cap their prices)
2) make insurance companies issue windscreen discs with all valid details on them so if you have an accident you do not have to get involved with the other party, no disc - call the Police! This could be funded in part with all the money the scameras have generated.
3) all monies generated from motorists should be ploughed back into the roads, not used to prop up the Tony B liar Labour Party( £186 million spent on advertising last year! )
theoretically this is what the road tax disc does... since you need insurance and MOT to get one....
However we all know that it could expire the next day and you would still have 12 months tax..
Whilst i would maybe suggest that the disc should only be valid until your MOT or insurance expire.. I personally would find this a right pain, and I'm sure other would too
Actually, they do not allow you to get a tax disc if your MOT/insurance is close to expiry!
WildCat said:
Actually, they do not allow you to get a tax disc if your MOT/insurance is close to expiry!
Yes they do.
My road tax is renewed just before my insurance expires about a week afterwards.
I sometimes get comments from the P.O staff about it being close, but there is nothing they can do as both are valid at the time the new tax disc starts.
You are definately NOT allowed to get tax if your MOT/Insurance are close to renewal. If you are then the Post Office worker is breaking regs.
Please forward the details onto me so my brother (Post Office Manager) can deal with them. After all, if they let that carry on what else do they do???
On the subject of immigrants ect, in my experience if you spot a car eith Lithuianian/Polish plates then 99.9% of the time the driver will have no Driving Licence, Insurance or MOT. I always get the driver to sign a disclaimer for his number plates and then redirect him/her to a DVLA test centre to register the car, as well as creating a new record on the PNC for keeper details.
Please forward the details onto me so my brother (Post Office Manager) can deal with them. After all, if they let that carry on what else do they do???
On the subject of immigrants ect, in my experience if you spot a car eith Lithuianian/Polish plates then 99.9% of the time the driver will have no Driving Licence, Insurance or MOT. I always get the driver to sign a disclaimer for his number plates and then redirect him/her to a DVLA test centre to register the car, as well as creating a new record on the PNC for keeper details.
V6GTO said:
1) scrap the Road Tax and take 1p per litre tax from the robbing b$stard petrol companies to cover it( and cap their prices)
Fuel tax mean anything to you? The petrol companies get about 7ppl if they're lucky, the Gov get over 50ppl.
If you have a grudge against the petrol companies, you need to investigate the issue a bit harder!
V6GTO said:
What...like BP making £8.3 billion profit last year? That one does'nt take much investigation!!!
That'll be from oil exploration, refining and selling plastics/lubricants etc.
Also bear in mind that they're a global company. Read their financial report, profit and UK forecourt sales are nothing to do with each other.
The fuel companies are not the problem in the UK, it's the money-grabbing government. Trust me, I used to work in the industry.
Gazboy said:
As pointed out, the child run out infront of him, on what I belive was a duel carriageway, he wasn't speeding or any other bookable offense
sorry gazboy but i would have thought that driving without a license and insurance are surely bookable offences....aint they?....you get reported for the offences after all.
gazboy said:
so he was only charged with no tax, insurance, lisence and a flase passport. Had you hit the child after he run out infront of you, you would be a free man, guilt ridden I'm sure, but you wouldn't need pile cream either.
i would have also been in posession of a valid d/license,an mot cert and an insurance cert.....this guy hadnt even bothered to get any of them....therefore he shouldnt have been behind the wheel of a motor vehicle in this country in any way,shape or form.....and if he hadnt have been driving illegally then he wouldnt have been in a position where he would have killed the child.....HE bought a car without any license,HE made the dissision to drive,HE decided to break the law so HE should be prosecuted and given an apropriate jail term and not a poncy crappy little 16mth sentence for a bloody pasport offence!.....wether the kid ran out infront of him or not is irrelevent,its something we could all possibly face at anytime and anywhere.
if you do the crime......you can do the feckin time!
knowing the bunch of p*ssbraind feckwitts in charge of the legal system.....YES!
i wish i thought diffrently but i have no faith in the law,none at-all in the cps or the judiciary as they seem to be too old or mentally infirm to tell the useless do-gooders to f^%$ off and actually make a sensible interpretation of the law when handing out sentences rather than being pussies and giving in to the bloody socialists.tbh any of the pathetic new laws that have been introduced in the last few years seem redundant as they seem to have had no f$%^&"g effect on kirbing unlawful activity in any way.
labour need to come out of the 50's and sack brunstrom and blunkett too while theyre about it as they are both about as usefull as a f$£$%%g chocolate teapot on the sun!
sorry....i got a bit carried away......but they are c**ts!!
i wish i thought diffrently but i have no faith in the law,none at-all in the cps or the judiciary as they seem to be too old or mentally infirm to tell the useless do-gooders to f^%$ off and actually make a sensible interpretation of the law when handing out sentences rather than being pussies and giving in to the bloody socialists.tbh any of the pathetic new laws that have been introduced in the last few years seem redundant as they seem to have had no f$%^&"g effect on kirbing unlawful activity in any way.
labour need to come out of the 50's and sack brunstrom and blunkett too while theyre about it as they are both about as usefull as a f$£$%%g chocolate teapot on the sun!
sorry....i got a bit carried away......but they are c**ts!!
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