Fly tipping! Report and ignore?
Discussion
Recently I have became the proud custodian of a rather large area of woodland very close to a major road and an expensive housing development. The woodland in question is currently acessed via a spur road from a roundabout (until the road is developed further). Yesterday I went for a wander around and was away from the car around 3 hours, on my return I discovered a pile of rubble (Probably enough to fill the bed of a transit pickup), mainly concrete dust and rubbish but also a few emails that had been printed out as an exchange between senior people in 2 localish companies.
The rubble is now blocking the gated access but is just off the public highway. I can't report it to the local authority until Monday and doubt the Police will care, the question is should I approach the companies that I have emails from, 1 that deals in installing concrete fence and gate post bases, the other that manufactures gates, or just let the authorities deal with it?
The rubble is now blocking the gated access but is just off the public highway. I can't report it to the local authority until Monday and doubt the Police will care, the question is should I approach the companies that I have emails from, 1 that deals in installing concrete fence and gate post bases, the other that manufactures gates, or just let the authorities deal with it?
FraserLFA said:
I wouldn't approach them. Let the authorities handle it if you can prove who it was, but if there are emails from 2 companies, which one dumped it?
That is the trouble though I have a fair idea it is the concrete company mainly because of the type of waste and because of the way the emails seem to have gone. But the 2 companies obviously work closely together as they have reciprocal links on their websites. Actually getting them to accept responsibility would be impossible I imagine.
There was a documentary on TV a while ago about fly tipping. Some local authorities have departments which track down people responsible for fly tipping and they love to find evidence such as the emails you've described.
Hopefully your local authority is one which takes fly tipping seriously and has such a department. I'd try them first then take matters into your own hands if they aren't interested.
Hopefully your local authority is one which takes fly tipping seriously and has such a department. I'd try them first then take matters into your own hands if they aren't interested.
mouseymousey said:
There was a documentary on TV a while ago about fly tipping. Some local authorities have departments which track down people responsible for fly tipping and they love to find evidence such as the emails you've described.
Hopefully your local authority is one which takes fly tipping seriously and has such a department. I'd try them first then take matters into your own hands if they aren't interested.
I saw that as well. You may be surprised how seriously the council takes this; with mine, fly tipping is seen as a hanging offense.Hopefully your local authority is one which takes fly tipping seriously and has such a department. I'd try them first then take matters into your own hands if they aren't interested.
Good luck, and I hope these people get billed for the clean up. I have no time whatsoever for idiots like these who foul up our countryside just to gouge more money from a balance sheet.
It should be quite clear from the emails which one of the two companies printed it out.
However it seems a little two convenient and as someone has said, a school boy error. Do the emails look like they'd have information that would be needed on site?
It's not concrete evidence and easily deniable.
Certainly contact the council and see what they do first. Giving the companies a heads up might damage any future investigation. If the council aren't interested then perhaps contact the companies and local press.
It may be that the companies are innocent and a sub contractor or waste carrier is in the wrong and the companies in the email are happy to hear about it and sack the perpetrator or even help with any prosecution. If this is the case then they should have waste transfer notes which will provide a paper trail for the disposal.
However it seems a little two convenient and as someone has said, a school boy error. Do the emails look like they'd have information that would be needed on site?
It's not concrete evidence and easily deniable.
Certainly contact the council and see what they do first. Giving the companies a heads up might damage any future investigation. If the council aren't interested then perhaps contact the companies and local press.
It may be that the companies are innocent and a sub contractor or waste carrier is in the wrong and the companies in the email are happy to hear about it and sack the perpetrator or even help with any prosecution. If this is the case then they should have waste transfer notes which will provide a paper trail for the disposal.
Edited by rpguk on Monday 17th May 11:54
rpguk said:
It should be quite clear from the emails which one of the two companies printed it out.
However it seems a little two convenient and as someone has said, a school boy error. Do the emails look like they'd have information that would be needed on site?
It's not concrete evidence and easily deniable.
Certainly contact the council and see what they do first. Giving the companies a heads up might damage any future investigation. If the council aren't interested then perhaps contact the companies and local press.
It may be that the companies are innocent and a sub contractor or waste carrier is in the wrong and the companies in the email are happy to hear about it and sack the perpetrator or even help with any prosecution. If this is the case then they should have waste transfer notes which will provide a paper trail for the disposal.
^^^^THIS...as it's just about the only level headed response on the matter so far.However it seems a little two convenient and as someone has said, a school boy error. Do the emails look like they'd have information that would be needed on site?
It's not concrete evidence and easily deniable.
Certainly contact the council and see what they do first. Giving the companies a heads up might damage any future investigation. If the council aren't interested then perhaps contact the companies and local press.
It may be that the companies are innocent and a sub contractor or waste carrier is in the wrong and the companies in the email are happy to hear about it and sack the perpetrator or even help with any prosecution. If this is the case then they should have waste transfer notes which will provide a paper trail for the disposal.
Edited by rpguk on Monday 17th May 11:54
A number of my presently empty rental properties have recently suffered a spate of dumped rubbish. Two of the properties rubbish was fly tipped into the property’s wheelie bins, one by the rubbish bag’s ties, clearly from the property next door, where the rubbish was dispatched to, the other with water rate bills etc., indicated an address some 2 miles away. The owner of that rubbish was invited to uplift the same, which they did, had they not, then the local council’s environmental health officer would have been informed.
Stubby Pete said:
I seem to recall that you (or your company) have a responsibility to ensure that your waste is removed and disposed of correctly. i.e. ensure that the correct licenses are held by waste carriers.
Yep and they should be in possession of a Duty of Care/ Waste Transfer Note from the carrier.The owner of the waste is liable should there be any prosecution unless they can prove they disposed of it legally and provide a paper trail to the licenced waste csarrier
gshughes said:
It's the Environment Agency you need to report it to, and they do treat it seriously. Should be info on their website.
but still worthwile reporting to you local councils waste enforcement officer who might well have had previous cases reported...................
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