photo has arrived, somethings not right??
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hi people,
at last the said photo arrives of our alleged speeding offence. is shows the rear of the car, its a tuscan so was obviously picked out by the lovely van, you can't see who's driving.
my point is that we saw the van parked up, slowed right down, but according to the piccy we were doing 50mph going past the van??
although there was the white markings on the road, these are not visible in the photo, so can't work out the exact speed.
we still have not sent the nip back, what are the chances of contesting this, any ideas or previous experience of this.......
at last the said photo arrives of our alleged speeding offence. is shows the rear of the car, its a tuscan so was obviously picked out by the lovely van, you can't see who's driving.
my point is that we saw the van parked up, slowed right down, but according to the piccy we were doing 50mph going past the van??
although there was the white markings on the road, these are not visible in the photo, so can't work out the exact speed.
we still have not sent the nip back, what are the chances of contesting this, any ideas or previous experience of this.......
tvr totty said:
my point is that we saw the van parked up, slowed right down, but according to the piccy we were doing 50mph going past the van??
You'll probably find out you were "shot" while a good way away from the Talivan, maybe even before you saw it! Just doin 50 while passing it is usually too late......
Don't sign the NIP and send it in with a declaration that "this is not a confession and may not be used as such in a court of law as these details have been extracted using threat of prosecution" and refer to the ECHR!!!
You need two pictures with the exact time on them. These are usually provided. Go back and look at scars on the road etc and measure your actual distance.
Assuming 1MPH = 0.44 Metres per second, you should be able to calculate your true speed. At 30MPH, you should travel 13.2M in one second.
Once you know this, you can decide what to do.
Assuming 1MPH = 0.44 Metres per second, you should be able to calculate your true speed. At 30MPH, you should travel 13.2M in one second.
Once you know this, you can decide what to do.
JMGS4 said:
my point is that we saw the van parked up, slowed right down, but according to the piccy we were doing 50mph going past the van??
You'll probably find out you were "shot" while a good way away from the Talivan, maybe even before you saw it! Just doin 50 while passing it is usually too late......
Don't sign the NIP and send it in with a declaration that "this is not a confession and may not be used as such in a court of law as these details have been extracted using threat of prosecution" and refer to the ECHR!!!
JMGS4.
Thread hijack so apologies.
Hmm thats worrying. I was travelling along the M3 into Portsmouth one day. When I spotted a Talivan at a junction between two joining roads. The road speed at the junction the talivan was sat at changed from a 70NSL to a signed 50mph. If as you say the Talivan checks you're speed from a distance away, what speed should it have been checking for?
As it happens I saw the van and the speed limit sign and began decelerating. No NIP yet so I assume I was OK, but I found this very confusing, was he checking the Limit he was in (the 50) or due to the way he was facing the previous 70 and cars speeding into the road joing junction he was sat at? Also how do you secure a conviction if all the cars heading towards you are decelerating and thus have variable speeds because of the junction?
Dustyc said:
tvrslag, I think you mean the A3.
I also hear drecently that a decelerating car is dificult to pick up by laser. Is this true?
NO! but it does f-up radar doppler.
If there aren't 2 pics, then it can't be substanciated... or so I hear.
If there are no easy to see ID's, then the Scamera Scum are in a tricky position.
tvrslag said:
JMGS4.
Thread hijack so apologies.
Hmm thats worrying. I was travelling along the M3 into Portsmouth one day. When I spotted a Talivan at a junction between two joining roads. The road speed at the junction the talivan was sat at changed from a 70NSL to a signed 50mph. If as you say the Talivan checks you're speed from a distance away, what speed should it have been checking for?
As it happens I saw the van and the speed limit sign and began decelerating. No NIP yet so I assume I was OK, but I found this very confusing, was he checking the Limit he was in (the 50) or due to the way he was facing the previous 70 and cars speeding into the road joing junction he was sat at? Also how do you secure a conviction if all the cars heading towards you are decelerating and thus have variable speeds because of the junction?
I don't know what the exact rules are in GB for the siting of a Talivan, however here (in Germany) they are NOT allowed to do speed checks/controls within 200m either side of a change in speed limit......
I would hope that it's similar in GB, but with the Labourpolitburo controlfreakism they may just conveniently overlook something like this on the premise that the "normal" person will roll over and pay (get ass
ed) by these pirates......JMGS4 said:
JMGS4.
Thread hijack so apologies.
Hmm thats worrying. I was travelling along the M3 into Portsmouth one day. When I spotted a Talivan at a junction between two joining roads. The road speed at the junction the talivan was sat at changed from a 70NSL to a signed 50mph. If as you say the Talivan checks you're speed from a distance away, what speed should it have been checking for?
As it happens I saw the van and the speed limit sign and began decelerating. No NIP yet so I assume I was OK, but I found this very confusing, was he checking the Limit he was in (the 50) or due to the way he was facing the previous 70 and cars speeding into the road joing junction he was sat at? Also how do you secure a conviction if all the cars heading towards you are decelerating and thus have variable speeds because of the junction?
I don't know what the exact rules are in GB for the siting of a Talivan, however here (in Germany) they are NOT allowed to do speed checks/controls within 200m either side of a change in speed limit......
I would hope that it's similar in GB, but with the Labourpolitburo controlfreakism they may just conveniently overlook something like this on the premise that the "normal" person will roll over and pay (get ass
If that's correct then Germany is peppered with loads of 400 Metre no speed limit zones!
hi westy
yep, didn't get a nip in the first 14 days, then got a reminder. not sure who was driving, so requested the photo which shows nothing. just the ass of the tuscan, still can't see who's driving. advised them that we are not keen to make up who was driving.
just waiting to see if there will be another photo. we are trying to work out which part of the road this was taken on, as we have driven up and down and can't match any of the background with this.
bit wierd. just waiting there response!! to date still have not sent any nip back with any info
yep, didn't get a nip in the first 14 days, then got a reminder. not sure who was driving, so requested the photo which shows nothing. just the ass of the tuscan, still can't see who's driving. advised them that we are not keen to make up who was driving.
just waiting to see if there will be another photo. we are trying to work out which part of the road this was taken on, as we have driven up and down and can't match any of the background with this.
bit wierd. just waiting there response!! to date still have not sent any nip back with any info
tvr totty said:
hi westy
yep, didn't get a nip in the first 14 days, then got a reminder. not sure who was driving, so requested the photo which shows nothing. just the ass of the tuscan, still can't see who's driving. advised them that we are not keen to make up who was driving.
just waiting to see if there will be another photo. we are trying to work out which part of the road this was taken on, as we have driven up and down and can't match any of the background with this.
bit wierd. just waiting there response!! to date still have not sent any nip back with any info
They HAVE to state accurately where the photo was taken, if they don't tell them to stuff it where the don't shine...... i.e get a solicitor to query the validity... there has been a case which pepipoo quotes about naming the position where it was taken.....
There is a lot of conflicting info here. The original thread makes reference to a van and then goes on about white lines. If a van got you then they would be using laser video, ie LTi 20/20 with video cam attached. This only only produces one piccy, the still from the video at the time the speed reading was taken. It does not need white lines on the road those are only used for GATSO, they are to coroborate the evidence of the GATSO as it is unmanned. If it is a portable GATSO it would be manned and then it would not need the white lines as the coroboration would be from the officer, additionally there would only be one piccy as the second one is only used for the white lines, it is taken 1/2 sec after the first, that way you can work out the distance and therefore prove the speed. Also if Laser vid was used they would be getting the speed reading when you were between 200-600 metres away. Also with reference the the speed checks at a limit change enforcement should not take place within 200m of a limit change
>> Edited by john robson on Friday 26th March 22:41
>> Edited by john robson on Friday 26th March 22:41
john robson said:
There is a lot of conflicting info here. The original thread makes reference to a van and then goes on about white lines. If a van got you then they would be using laser video, ie LTi 20/20 with video cam attached. This only only produces one piccy, the still from the video at the time the speed reading was taken. It does not need white lines on the road those are only used for GATSO, they are to coroborate the evidence of the GATSO as it is unmanned. If it is a portable GATSO it would be manned and then it would not need the white lines as the coroboration would be from the officer, additionally there would only be one piccy as the second one is only used for the white lines, it is taken 1/2 sec after the first, that way you can work out the distance and therefore prove the speed. Also if Laser vid was used they would be getting the speed reading when you were between 200-600 metres away. Also with reference the the speed checks at a limit change enforcement should not take place within 200m of a limit change
>> Edited by john robson on Friday 26th March 22:41
Welcome back JR - about time you started posting your excellent advice again!
smashmonkey1984 said:
A copper mate told he couldn't get a speed reading full stop from a decelerating vehicle. so its a case of see talivan slam on brakes. If you react quick enough you may get away with it since the officer in charge may be focused on another car. hope this helps
Nice idea, but this is dangerous! If you see a camera and slam on your brakes quick enough to fool it then any vehicles behind you are going to have to do the same or more likely run into the back of you.
This kind of irresponsible driving is exactly what causes accidents! If you want to take your chances with the speed limit then at least accept it when your getting caught by a camera and don't put other drivers at risk for the sake of a few quid and some points.
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