NIP + Foreign Driver
Discussion
You are probably safe with a Gatso which photographs the back of the car. I have a friend who is not British, but he has a UK address and licnece. He was caught in his BMW and gave the name of an Italian friend. A letter came back from the Old Bill asking when this friend arrived in the UK, when he left and for his flight numbers. My friend replied that he had provided the information required and that it was not his job to pursue foreigners - they were the police and they must play detectives if that's what is important to the. The entire thing went away.
JonSummers said:
Has anyone attempted to dodge a NIP by putting a foreign relative/friend/or other as the named driver.. if so what was the outcome??
Some scammers, certainly Essex, will threaten you with permitting if you can't show that the driver was insured. Whether they follow through, I don't know.
Newbury v Davis, however, says that an owner cannot be convicted of permitting if the vehicle was lent on the express condition that the driver provide his own suitable insurance.
jeffreyarcher said:
JonSummers said:
Has anyone attempted to dodge a NIP by putting a foreign relative/friend/or other as the named driver.. if so what was the outcome??
Some scammers, certainly Essex, will threaten you with permitting if you can't show that the driver was insured. Whether they follow through, I don't know.
Newbury v Davis, however, says that an owner cannot be convicted of permitting if the vehicle was lent on the express condition that the driver provide his own suitable insurance.
I presume that if you have 'any driver' insurance there can be no problem then.
Why can't the UK have the 'normal' type of insurance as here in Hungary, where it is the car that is insured , not the car/driver combo.
>> Edited by kevinday on Tuesday 23 March 11:41
I can imagine that the prosecuting office may be suspicious if everyone said x from abroad was driving, but if asked for a flight number persumably one could say they came on the ferry. It would take some convincing to persuade me that the ferry companies enter the names of all the passengers in to a database!
What's to stop you saying you met a Nigerian bloke in the pub one night (when he came over to give you your share of his late fathers $2million dollar fortune 
), don't know his name but, being the trusting chap you are, let him borrow your car for the day? He said he had insurance and you had no reason to disbelieve him (being so trusting and all...)
Is there a law that states you must get name, address and inside leg measurement from anyone you lend your car to?
), don't know his name but, being the trusting chap you are, let him borrow your car for the day? He said he had insurance and you had no reason to disbelieve him (being so trusting and all...) Is there a law that states you must get name, address and inside leg measurement from anyone you lend your car to?
Canadian nephew was Gatso'd at 39mph, in 30mph limit!
I received NIP the day after nephew returned home and duly completed and returned NIP (signed).
A month later was sent letter by Scamera Partnership asking me to prove that said nephew was driving! to which, I replied "that is your job, but I will try".
Eventually I was summonsed for the offence and in the magistrates court they could offer no proof and had to pay my costs.
The above proves that it is not about Truth or Justice but about making money
I received NIP the day after nephew returned home and duly completed and returned NIP (signed).
A month later was sent letter by Scamera Partnership asking me to prove that said nephew was driving! to which, I replied "that is your job, but I will try".
Eventually I was summonsed for the offence and in the magistrates court they could offer no proof and had to pay my costs.
The above proves that it is not about Truth or Justice but about making money
kevinday said:
JonSummers said:
Has anyone attempted to dodge a NIP by putting a foreign relative/friend/or other as the named driver.. if so what was the outcome??
Some scammers, certainly Essex, will threaten you with permitting if you can't show that the driver was insured. Whether they follow through, I don't know.
Newbury v Davis, however, says that an owner cannot be convicted of permitting if the vehicle was lent on the express condition that the driver provide his own suitable insurance.
I presume that if you have 'any driver' insurance there can be no problem then.
Why can't the UK have the 'normal' type of insurance as here in Hungary, where it is the car that is insured , not the car/driver combo.
>> Edited by kevinday on Tuesday 23 March 11:41P
Profit!!
All very interesting, however, the 'excuse' has been around for about 2 years to my knowledge in various forms. The biggest problem, unless its actually true of course, is filling in all the fine detail which usually gets overlooked in the majority of lies. I don't want to go into all the scenarios I have heard so lets look at the Nigerian in the pub. Who else was in the pub, did he have a drink, who served him, will the bar staff back you up, did you see his insurance cert, did you get your 'share' of the money, where is it, how much is your car worth, (unless its a shed) do you always let total strangers drive off in a £10,000 car(don't forget that unless they are a trader they will not have comp ins to drive your car)Theses are just a few of the questions most would get asked in that example.The offence you would be looking at if you are lying is perverting the course of justice, the penalty for which is up to 6 months, is it worth risking a criminal record for 3 points and £60. Some have got away with it others haven't. I know what I would do.
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