Harsh from the courts?
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Hi this topic was intended for police, plod and the law but as I have just registered I have to wait 14 days to post on that forum. If possible can a moderator move this post?
To the story, my friend has recently gone to court over a dangerous driving charge. He was tray sliding around the white rose car park after 9pm after he had finished work there. The car park was almost empty (as the center was closed) so he stupidly decided to put some macdonalds trays under his rear wheels, put the handbrake on and had 2 minutes of low speed fun. (in his Pug 106 quicksilver)
The White Rose security came out and grabbed him once he had finished and called the police. He was summonsed for court over a dangerous driving charge for this which I thought was a little harsh, misuse of motor vehicle of w.out due care and attention I would have expected.
But it ended up going to court, for some strange reason he hired a solicitor and pleaded guilty. The court understood the situation of an empty car park with no near misses or injury and the fact it was low speed. He got:
150 hour community service
18 months driving ban
£80 fine
And there was talking of putting him on electronic tag. Subsiquently he lost his job as a bank teller as he now has a criminal record and has bascially lost his life.
Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh? I've been reading the speeding survery and finding 10's of drivers getting caught at way over 100mph and not getting even remotly near this kind of punishment!
To the story, my friend has recently gone to court over a dangerous driving charge. He was tray sliding around the white rose car park after 9pm after he had finished work there. The car park was almost empty (as the center was closed) so he stupidly decided to put some macdonalds trays under his rear wheels, put the handbrake on and had 2 minutes of low speed fun. (in his Pug 106 quicksilver)
The White Rose security came out and grabbed him once he had finished and called the police. He was summonsed for court over a dangerous driving charge for this which I thought was a little harsh, misuse of motor vehicle of w.out due care and attention I would have expected.
But it ended up going to court, for some strange reason he hired a solicitor and pleaded guilty. The court understood the situation of an empty car park with no near misses or injury and the fact it was low speed. He got:
150 hour community service
18 months driving ban
£80 fine
And there was talking of putting him on electronic tag. Subsiquently he lost his job as a bank teller as he now has a criminal record and has bascially lost his life.
Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh? I've been reading the speeding survery and finding 10's of drivers getting caught at way over 100mph and not getting even remotly near this kind of punishment!
StottyZr said:
Hi this topic was intended for police, plod and the law but as I have just registered I have to wait 14 days to post on that forum. If possible can a moderator move this post?
To the story, my friend has recently gone to court over a dangerous driving charge. He was tray sliding around the white rose car park after 9pm after he had finished work there. The car park was almost empty (as the center was closed) so he stupidly decided to put some macdonalds trays under his rear wheels, put the handbrake on and had 2 minutes of low speed fun. (in his Pug 106 quicksilver)
The White Rose security came out and grabbed him once he had finished and called the police. He was summonsed for court over a dangerous driving charge for this which I thought was a little harsh, misuse of motor vehicle of w.out due care and attention I would have expected.
But it ended up going to court, for some strange reason he hired a solicitor and pleaded guilty. The court understood the situation of an empty car park with no near misses or injury and the fact it was low speed. He got:
150 hour community service
18 months driving ban
£80 fine
And there was talking of putting him on electronic tag. Subsiquently he lost his job as a bank teller as he now has a criminal record and has bascially lost his life.
Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh? I've been reading the speeding survery and finding 10's of drivers getting caught at way over 100mph and not getting even remotly near this kind of punishment!
just in case it vanishesTo the story, my friend has recently gone to court over a dangerous driving charge. He was tray sliding around the white rose car park after 9pm after he had finished work there. The car park was almost empty (as the center was closed) so he stupidly decided to put some macdonalds trays under his rear wheels, put the handbrake on and had 2 minutes of low speed fun. (in his Pug 106 quicksilver)
The White Rose security came out and grabbed him once he had finished and called the police. He was summonsed for court over a dangerous driving charge for this which I thought was a little harsh, misuse of motor vehicle of w.out due care and attention I would have expected.
But it ended up going to court, for some strange reason he hired a solicitor and pleaded guilty. The court understood the situation of an empty car park with no near misses or injury and the fact it was low speed. He got:
150 hour community service
18 months driving ban
£80 fine
And there was talking of putting him on electronic tag. Subsiquently he lost his job as a bank teller as he now has a criminal record and has bascially lost his life.
Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh? I've been reading the speeding survery and finding 10's of drivers getting caught at way over 100mph and not getting even remotly near this kind of punishment!
I'm with the OP on this one - it's far too harsh. Besides, it's not a public road, so why ban someone from driving for 18 months?! If I build a go kart and thrashed it around a private building site, should I be banned from driving my road car? That's exactly the same thing as having a moment of fun (admittedly stupid and dangerous fun) off the public highway in a private car park. I think a sharp telling off would have done, and if the police really had to get involved then a sentence of a fine and perhaps some community service would be sufficient. There are far too many people out there driving dangerously on busy public roads who really are going to cause an accident and ruin someone's life who get away with it because of a lack of police on the roads. Cases like this make me embaressed to by British to be honest.
StottyZr said:
my friend has recently gone to court over a dangerous driving charge. He was tray sliding around the white rose car park after 9pm after he had finished work there. (in his Pug 106 quicksilver)
Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh?
Is it just me that thinks your mate sounds like a total chav muppet boy racer and all the other max power stereotypes? Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh?
Seriously "tray sliding" is that really an attempt to make it sound cool and how can you say you are suprised that after acting like a t
t right outside where he works that he no longer has a job
To be honest reading your description your "mate" sounds like a bit of a chavvy knobhead so I wouldn't expect much sympathy on here. If his work (I'm assuming it will either be Halifax or Yorkshire Bank) have it in his contract that any criminal record = no job then what was he doing dicking around in a way he knew to be illegal on premises that he undoubtedly (because he worked there) knew had a security presence?
aka_kerrly said:
StottyZr said:
my friend has recently gone to court over a dangerous driving charge. He was tray sliding around the white rose car park after 9pm after he had finished work there. (in his Pug 106 quicksilver)
Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh?
Is it just me that thinks your mate sounds like a total chav muppet boy racer and all the other max power stereotypes? Is it just me who thinks this is a little harsh?
Seriously "tray sliding" is that really an attempt to make it sound cool and how can you say you are suprised that after acting like a t
t right outside where he works that he no longer has a jobI don't think the court outcome was too bad. The ban seems a little long, but they had more access to the facts than I do.
Loss of his job for something so unrelated to it, if that is what happened, does seem harsh. But, the banks have to be seen to be cleaner than clean, especially in the current scapegoating climate.
Best of luck to your mate putting his life back together.
Loss of his job for something so unrelated to it, if that is what happened, does seem harsh. But, the banks have to be seen to be cleaner than clean, especially in the current scapegoating climate.
Best of luck to your mate putting his life back together.
Soovy said:
jon- said:
I'm almost certain everyone above who are claiming this isn't harsh would be the first to post crying if something similar happened to them. Idiots.
Erm, but they wouldn't be stupid enough to put trays under their wheels and go skidding about like a c nt.Yet you can bet the sentence wouldn't be as harsh for this guy if he was caught. Don't forget also, with that guy in the thread above, what effect he's going to have on nervous drivers? You and I may be confident and relaxed joining a motorway with a joker like that (I know I would be ok with it at least), but someone like my Mum would be absolutely terrified. Nobody skidding round a car park ever had that effect on someone - it's just a nuisance with potential danger - they need a sharp slap round the wrist, a word with the parents and perhaps a light sentence. An 18 month driving ban, more than many drink drivers get or even hit and run, is way over the top.
The McDonalds in the White Rose is upstairs did he steal the trays and take them outside?
Given the visible patrols there I'm amazed he thought it was a sensible thing to do in the first place, the punishment is harsh but it's a 20mph (or less?) and a public area so guess they wanted to make sure he didn't do it again.
For anyone unfamiliar with particular hell-hole of zombie female mentals this is the layout:
http://snipurl.com/13k420 [maps_google_co_uk]
I believe they had a lot of issues there in the past so barriers were put up to close the car parks off and the number of patrols increased, I suspect he's not the first to be punished like this.
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