Quick BiB and road tax question

[TonyOut]

Picking up a 900 Hornet on Thursday...... Yummy!

Apparently the guy has misplaced the new tax disk (Broken collarbone took priority) but it's taxed till 01/2005.

I will be applying for a replacement from the post office when I pick it up. Am I ok to ride about on it until the new one arrives?

[mustard]

Stick an empty tax disc holder in the screen and providing it is taxed the camera vans wont pick it up, cus it'll show on their records as being taxed.

But yes technically you are breaking the law (failure to display £200 fine IIRC) and thats a of course

[TonyOut]

Nice, a kind of "Would you like fries with that" taxation?

I could just ride on the back roads.... Chances of seeing BiB, slim

[/Pokewithstickmodeoff]

I suppose I could always put my shiney new toy, that has already had the tax paid on it in the garage and wait for them to send me one.

[Dwight VanDriver]

If you are absolutely sure that there is a current Licence in force (could be the old owner is telling porkies) and should you decide to take a scenic route on your travels and stopped then as stated above you are committing the offence of failing to display an Excise Licence.

You may try quoting Reg 6 (1) Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regs, 2002 :

"When a vehicle licence or nil licence has been delivered to the Secretary of State with an application for a replacement licence, no licence need be fixed to and exhibited on the vehicle to which the licence relates until the replacement licence is obtained.." (Fifty percent correct the same wrong)

Excise is not a "Police" offence as such it is a "Revenue" offence, the main interest being has duty been paid? From what you say - Yes. DVLA, who can only authorise prosecution of No Tax (with certain exemptions), will therefore be happy. BiB should be able to interrogate his records to establish that one is in force so he isn't going to sheet you on behalf of DVLA, for No Tax. So it's back to fail to display. Providing no other matters come up as a result of the check then if sheeted you have come across a very constipated Plod.

In my 30 years during the last century (dig that BPB and TC) I never knew of anyone being prosecuted for failing to display.

DVD

[tonyout]

Thanks for that DVD, I'll print it out and keep it in my pocket

ANPR shouldn't be a problem on a bike anyway but I think a trip down the local excise office may be the best idea.

Would hate to get pulled and try and argue my way out of it with a "But he told me it was ok!"

[silverback mike]

From a logical point of view, and all things taken into consideration I would have no problem letting you on your way.
Even if someone was pedantic enough to 'stick you on' then dvla could trace it and bin the dvla offence.

But bear it in mind there is an offence of 'failing to display' which could be used and is not a dvla offence, but non endorsable fpn.

Edited as I have just noticed dwights post above....says it all really, I will get back under my stone.




>> Edited by silverback mike on Wednesday 14th April 10:16

[gshughes]

Dwight VanDriver said:

If you are absolutely sure that there is a current Licence in force (could be the old owner is telling porkies) and should you decide to take a scenic route on your travels and stopped then as stated above you are committing the offence of failing to display an Excise Licence. You may try quoting Reg 6 (1) Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regs, 2002 : "When a vehicle licence or nil licence has been delivered to the Secretary of State with an application for a replacement licence, no licence need be fixed to and exhibited on the vehicle to which the licence relates until the replacement licence is obtained.." (Fifty percent correct the same wrong) Excise is not a "Police" offence as such it is a "Revenue" offence, the main interest being has duty been paid? From what you say - Yes. DVLA, who can only authorise prosecution of No Tax (with certain exemptions), will therefore be happy. BiB should be able to interrogate his records to establish that one is in force so he isn't going to sheet you on behalf of DVLA, for No Tax. So it's back to fail to display. Providing no other matters come up as a result of the check then if sheeted you have come across a very constipated Plod. In my 30 years during the last century (dig that BPB and TC) I never knew of anyone being prosecuted for failing to display. DVD

My mum got a ticket back in the 70s for this. She bought a new tax disc, and put it in the holder the wrong way round. An over zealous traffic warden gave her a ticket for I presume failure to display, even when she showed him the perfectly legal, brand new tax disc.

[philthy]

Tonyout,
just a suggestion, why don't you take it to the local nick, explain the situation, and let them PNC it. If it aint taxed, they'll tell you. As a precaution, take your MOT/insurance/payment so if it comes up as not taxed, you can park it there for 10 minutes while you go around the corner to the post office and tax it.
It's only £45 after all
Philthy

[john_p]

I took my mate (who had just started in Thames Valley Police) to pick up his new car (imported) and the DVLA had not yet sent back the new tax disc.. so he had to drive it back without.

My mate rang someone at traffic who said it should be OK.. still made him very paranoid for 150 miles down the M1

[tonyout]

Thanks all, even my step sis can't run it through the PNC.

Guess it will be a trip to the excise office. Still, back roads are nicer anyway

[xxplod]

Personally, I have caught countless motorists for committing document offences. I would always stick him/her on for the No Licence and Insurance. Never the VEL. Why? Becasue (IMO) the Police should remain wholly independant of revenue collection and its enforcement. If the DVLA & government insist on using this ridiculous disc as a means of taxation, then they can enforce it. It should not be the job of the Police.
And I say that having previous worked as a "taxman" in an indirect kind of way.