Criminal Justice System- your understanding ::)
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lunarscope said:
What would be your understanding of the Criminal Justice System?
( In case you hadn't spotted it....I'm having to learn a lot for my forthcoming interview )
There isn't one.
I refer you to my learned friend's statement.
Might be just what they're looking for. Someone with a fresh outlook, untained with years of baggage from working within the system and can see the system for what it is.
I understand where you're both coming from 
....but that won't get me the job
I've already overdosed on PACE to-day....got the Criminal and Disorder 1998 act to read as well
I'm thinking how the hell can they expect a civilian to know all these things? I really want this job....so am doing everything possible to prepare for the interview....and if that means asking dumb questions...then I'll do it.
....but that won't get me the job I've already overdosed on PACE to-day....got the Criminal and Disorder 1998 act to read as well
I'm thinking how the hell can they expect a civilian to know all these things? I really want this job....so am doing everything possible to prepare for the interview....and if that means asking dumb questions...then I'll do it.
After the criminal act, the police don't arrive, you get a crime reference number.
A small number of crimes are 'solved' meaning a large percentage of those caught in the act are cautioned and released.
A smaller number of unlucky ones end up in court where more are let off through technicalities.
A tiny amount are found guilty, the judge imposes something dramatic like 20 minutes community service which they don't do.
Anyone who goes to prison gets a large reduction in time served for not escaping.
However if you are speeding, your fingerprints are taken as you drive by, also a retinal scan, interpol find your address and have the SPG waiting for you as you arrive home where a confession is beaten out of you. Your wealth is confiscated and your car crushed, you are then made to give piggy back rides to the local unwashed.
This is said nearly tounge in cheek.
A small number of crimes are 'solved' meaning a large percentage of those caught in the act are cautioned and released.
A smaller number of unlucky ones end up in court where more are let off through technicalities.
A tiny amount are found guilty, the judge imposes something dramatic like 20 minutes community service which they don't do.
Anyone who goes to prison gets a large reduction in time served for not escaping.
However if you are speeding, your fingerprints are taken as you drive by, also a retinal scan, interpol find your address and have the SPG waiting for you as you arrive home where a confession is beaten out of you. Your wealth is confiscated and your car crushed, you are then made to give piggy back rides to the local unwashed.
This is said nearly tounge in cheek.
You will have to dig a lot deeper my friend...
Justice is a rare commodity these days. It's not down to the BiB's here who seem a decent bunch, it goes much deeper than that.
If you are generally law abiding and transgress, the system comes down on you hard. Why? IMHO it's because they have to be seen to be doing something.
If you are sufficiently bad and know your rights, you are approaching untouchable.
It's not just that
B'liar, it's politicians of all parties who have let the country down over the years. Fear of upsetting a minority somewhere means we now have minority rule in this country. Unfortunately minority rule leads to a pissed off majority.
What should we do?
I would bring back the death penalty and introduce hand amputation for repeat thiefs (There is no nice name for them).
Statistically, and I can say this without fear of contradiction, the death penalty has been shown to cut repeat offences by 100%
In Saudi Arabia, you can leave your keys in the car and the window down and it will be there when you come back.
Make an example of a few scrotes and law and order could be restored within months.
Controversial, but worthy of discussion
The people who should be inside are outside and the people who should be on the outside (and at this stage generally are) are slowly being made to feel they should be on the inside.
Bit like cricket in reverse but it's not a game.
I have to attend court in a week or so as a witness . . . they're going to pay me a MAX of £64 to attend for the whole day plus 25p a mile, if I can prove I need to take my car. They'll also only pay parking expenses if I absolutely have to drive there (if I'm disabled etc which I'm not) and the court doesn't have a car park.
Given that the idiot is only charged with a very minor offence the worst he's going to get is a few points and a £100 fine, it's simply not worth it. (If he even turns up !)
I'll loose a days pay (take a days holiday) and end up paying for car parking and possibly all my fuel. I didn't even see what this chap did, I heard it all at the scene second hand from somebody else so I probably won't even be called.
Who's getting the Justice ? Not bloody me, just costing me money AGAIN . . . everytime I have anything to do with the plod or the courts, it costs me money, even if I'm not the victimised motorist and am simply a witness to something else.
Anybody got some good reasons why I should haul my ass on a 4 hour round trip (7 by train - that !), at my expense, to see some nobrain numptie get a good telling off from a magistrate ? He wasn't even speeding so he's not going to get anything more than a stiff talking to.
Bit like cricket in reverse but it's not a game.
I have to attend court in a week or so as a witness . . . they're going to pay me a MAX of £64 to attend for the whole day plus 25p a mile, if I can prove I need to take my car. They'll also only pay parking expenses if I absolutely have to drive there (if I'm disabled etc which I'm not) and the court doesn't have a car park.
Given that the idiot is only charged with a very minor offence the worst he's going to get is a few points and a £100 fine, it's simply not worth it. (If he even turns up !)
I'll loose a days pay (take a days holiday) and end up paying for car parking and possibly all my fuel. I didn't even see what this chap did, I heard it all at the scene second hand from somebody else so I probably won't even be called.
Who's getting the Justice ? Not bloody me, just costing me money AGAIN . . . everytime I have anything to do with the plod or the courts, it costs me money, even if I'm not the victimised motorist and am simply a witness to something else.
Anybody got some good reasons why I should haul my ass on a 4 hour round trip (7 by train -
that !), at my expense, to see some nobrain numptie get a good telling off from a magistrate ? He wasn't even speeding so he's not going to get anything more than a stiff talking to. voyds9 said:
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However if you are speeding, your fingerprints are taken as you drive by, also a retinal scan, interpol find your address and have the SPG waiting for you as you arrive home where a confession is beaten out of you. Your wealth is confiscated and your car crushed, you are then made to give piggy back rides to the local unwashed.
And your DNA will be recorded and compared with all past and future crimes. "Minority Report"? We're getting there! - Streaky
Dwight VanDriver said:
I think they call it citizenship Busa....
DVD
I agree and I'm all up for that, and if there was any kind of justice dished out then fair enough but at worst he's going to get a small fine (£100 ?) and possibly, if the magistrates are in a bad mood and he pisses them off, a couple of points.
He lives locally to the court, he can pop along having taken a few hours off work and even if he's fined £400, it will still have cost me more than that to attend and I'm simply a second hand witness.
busa_rush said:
Anybody got some good reasons why I should haul my ass on a 4 hour round trip (7 by train -
If you have given a witness statement, then I believe you are legally obliged to attend court. If you don't, then I believe a warrant can be issued for your arrest.
I think the answer is not to give the statement in the first place. It isn't the individuals BiB's fault, nor the indiviidual CPS lawyer's fault, nor the individual JP's fault. It is a flawed system that needs root and brance reform.
However, given that people now have more rights than ever before in terms of the ECHR, I fail to see how things are going to get better.
IMHO we need a more type of politician. Not one that hides behind spin and lies. One that delivers. Rocket science? Err, no!.
Justice ????????? 
Every time some new piece of legislation comes into force, the scrotes use it in their defense. The BiB spend all their time trying to round up these scum, only for the "just" system we have to smack their hand and send them to the caribean for a holiday.
IMHO the british people are sick to the back teeth of the justice we are receiving. Act like a complete parasite, with no repect for anybody else, and you'll do just fine. Act like an honest citizen, play by the rules, and you'll get shafted every time.
Read the thread "would you help". It's a sad state of affairs when people have to think about assisting a police officer in trouble because they fear they might end up in court. One other thing, DON'T even think about protecting your own property, unless you'd like a sentence longer than the guy that was going to nick it.........
Rant over........
Philthy
Every time some new piece of legislation comes into force, the scrotes use it in their defense. The BiB spend all their time trying to round up these scum, only for the "just" system we have to smack their hand and send them to the caribean for a holiday.
IMHO the british people are sick to the back teeth of the justice we are receiving. Act like a complete parasite, with no repect for anybody else, and you'll do just fine. Act like an honest citizen, play by the rules, and you'll get shafted every time.
Read the thread "would you help". It's a sad state of affairs when people have to think about assisting a police officer in trouble because they fear they might end up in court. One other thing, DON'T even think about protecting your own property, unless you'd like a sentence longer than the guy that was going to nick it.........
Rant over........
Philthy
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