Driving company vehicles for own use.
Discussion
Hi folks,
Am I correct in thinking that if a chap drives his gas company works lorry to his own fields and uses it to carry away horse manure, then he is quite likely to be driving whilst uninsured as he is off route and not on company business. There is no mains gas within 3 miles.
He comes down our narrow lane every morning and evening in his works truck. He has also been seen to leave it on a local pub car park, sometimes with a mini digger on a trailer behind, whilst he goes off shopping with his bride.
I recall a chap where I worked being told he could be sacked for theft when he went off route and was not on company business. When he asked how that was theft, he was told he was stealing fuel!
Locals are unhappy with this chaps actions as there are kids playing in the lane, which is a dead end with little traffic and then this large lorry with a HIAB comes trundling past them.
So, am I correct in thinking it is unlikely that the gas company know about this or would allow it to occur. Insured or not?
Cheers
T
Am I correct in thinking that if a chap drives his gas company works lorry to his own fields and uses it to carry away horse manure, then he is quite likely to be driving whilst uninsured as he is off route and not on company business. There is no mains gas within 3 miles.
He comes down our narrow lane every morning and evening in his works truck. He has also been seen to leave it on a local pub car park, sometimes with a mini digger on a trailer behind, whilst he goes off shopping with his bride.
I recall a chap where I worked being told he could be sacked for theft when he went off route and was not on company business. When he asked how that was theft, he was told he was stealing fuel!
Locals are unhappy with this chaps actions as there are kids playing in the lane, which is a dead end with little traffic and then this large lorry with a HIAB comes trundling past them.
So, am I correct in thinking it is unlikely that the gas company know about this or would allow it to occur. Insured or not?
Cheers
T
Right .... Apparently the primary reason he must be reported for is to protect the children.
Maybe teach them to get the f
k out of the way of traffic on a road, dead end or not.
I assume that these children will not grow up to become teenagers wander mindlessly into flowing traffic, with their ipod earphones stuck so far into their ear, that it's practically coming out of their nose.
By all means, report him if you think he is breaking the law, but not because there are children playing on a road.
Maybe teach them to get the f
k out of the way of traffic on a road, dead end or not.I assume that these children will not grow up to become teenagers wander mindlessly into flowing traffic, with their ipod earphones stuck so far into their ear, that it's practically coming out of their nose.
By all means, report him if you think he is breaking the law, but not because there are children playing on a road.
he may well be covered for personal use it's down to the company, I've had 18 tonners as my only motor before (going on holiday could be fun with taco hours mind)..I suspect your issue is with him driving like a tosser and has an attitude issue when mentioned in which case report him to whoever is advertised on his truck. if its his own company then a full hmrc investigation should do...actually do both
When I went from having a company car to a 4x4 van I chose to opt out of having it for private use and so my employer went to great pains to inform me that I was not allowed to use it privately. Apparently if HMRC found out then my employer would have been liable for the tax I should have been paying. They even went as far as making me sign a disclaimer that if this happened I would have to pay the company back.
Apparently under HMRC rules I am allowed a couple of trips a year to the tip and that's it, I'm not even supposed to pop to the supermarket on my way home. My employer made no mention of insurance issues or anything like that and it seemed that their only concern was getting screwed over by HMRC.
Apparently under HMRC rules I am allowed a couple of trips a year to the tip and that's it, I'm not even supposed to pop to the supermarket on my way home. My employer made no mention of insurance issues or anything like that and it seemed that their only concern was getting screwed over by HMRC.
Thanks folks, I hadn't thought of the tax issue.
As has been said, a big truck with a HIAB which sometimes has a mini-digger on a trialer behind is unlikely to have a personal use permission.
I was told by an electricty board driver that they were not required to complete a log book as the vehicles were classed as emergency vehicles.
Would that apply to a gas company vehicle? Would it be fitted with a tachograph? Is it still possible to fiddle the tacho.
How would he explain the vehicle parked on a pub park for two hours until 19:00, then starting up again before being taken back to its overnight parking place, which is a yard owned by a local haulier, not a gas company depot
The guy next door with the kids is a cop in the serious crime unit and as I said, he is very unhappy with this truck being in the lane but as far as I know he has not said anything yet.
As has been said, a big truck with a HIAB which sometimes has a mini-digger on a trialer behind is unlikely to have a personal use permission.
I was told by an electricty board driver that they were not required to complete a log book as the vehicles were classed as emergency vehicles.
Would that apply to a gas company vehicle? Would it be fitted with a tachograph? Is it still possible to fiddle the tacho.
How would he explain the vehicle parked on a pub park for two hours until 19:00, then starting up again before being taken back to its overnight parking place, which is a yard owned by a local haulier, not a gas company depot
The guy next door with the kids is a cop in the serious crime unit and as I said, he is very unhappy with this truck being in the lane but as far as I know he has not said anything yet.
As said it down to the company in question and they are unlikely to give you any information with regards their policy, most contractors do take their vehicles home as they are on call 24/7 i know of plenty who use their vehicles at the weekends etc, again it will be up to the company in question.
As for not wanting the truck to be using the lane, well sorry but that's tough luck unless there is a restriction in place, its a public road and any vehicle can use it regardless of size. Don't want the kids in danger? Make them play in the garden.
As for not wanting the truck to be using the lane, well sorry but that's tough luck unless there is a restriction in place, its a public road and any vehicle can use it regardless of size. Don't want the kids in danger? Make them play in the garden.
As for the insurance issue - as far as I am aware the starting point for all motor insurance is social domestic and pleasure use and business use is then added to that. It is accepted by insurers that almost all vehicles require S<D & P because there are times when this use happens almost naturally i.e. when at lunchtime you divert for a sandwich, at the end of the day when commuting home is SD&P. I seriously doubt there is any issue over insurance.
For this guy to be using such a large vehicle it is implied that the 'Gas' company is a large or national one - your best bet is to ring the fleet manager of the company to report its use (misuse) - I doubt they will be very happy as if this is a liveried vehicle it will not reflect very well on them. I doubt it smells very nice either maybe even a dreaded H&S issue for operators with bacteria etc from the horsest
For this guy to be using such a large vehicle it is implied that the 'Gas' company is a large or national one - your best bet is to ring the fleet manager of the company to report its use (misuse) - I doubt they will be very happy as if this is a liveried vehicle it will not reflect very well on them. I doubt it smells very nice either maybe even a dreaded H&S issue for operators with bacteria etc from the horses
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