About those pesky "Safety" cameras .... Would this work?
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I've been told that it is a very simple thing to be driving along at 2am in a 50 mph zone and find that your speed creeps up and up and up because of the silence of the engine and the smoothness of the ride until you may be doing 65. Then, all of a sudden ... flash ... flash.
Oh, no. A £60 fine and 3 points on your license and all because you were watching the road and not your speedo.
You know you did wrong, but it wasn't intentional so is there anything that you can do about it?
Maybe. On another forum I read, one guy suggested the following actions..
Do a U-turn and drive back to half a mile or so before the flashes.
Drive slowly and watch for a sign indicating a Safety camera ahead. When you spot the sign, stop and leave the car taking your digital camera with you. You should always keep a digital camera in the car for use in cases of an accident. Anyway, set the camera so that it records the time and date of an image.
Now the tricky bit. You can either cover the sign with foliage or turn it round by 90 degrees. Now take a picture of it from a spot that would be the driver of a car's viewpoint showing that the sign was virtually invisible to drivers.
This picture would prove that at the time of the offense, no warning signs were visible and the case gets thrown out.
£60 and 3 points saved.
Please bear in mind that I have no idea if this would actually work.
Cheers,
Steve
Oh, no. A £60 fine and 3 points on your license and all because you were watching the road and not your speedo.
You know you did wrong, but it wasn't intentional so is there anything that you can do about it?
Maybe. On another forum I read, one guy suggested the following actions..
Do a U-turn and drive back to half a mile or so before the flashes.
Drive slowly and watch for a sign indicating a Safety camera ahead. When you spot the sign, stop and leave the car taking your digital camera with you. You should always keep a digital camera in the car for use in cases of an accident. Anyway, set the camera so that it records the time and date of an image.
Now the tricky bit. You can either cover the sign with foliage or turn it round by 90 degrees. Now take a picture of it from a spot that would be the driver of a car's viewpoint showing that the sign was virtually invisible to drivers.
This picture would prove that at the time of the offense, no warning signs were visible and the case gets thrown out.
£60 and 3 points saved.
Please bear in mind that I have no idea if this would actually work.
Cheers,
Steve
Simpo two wrote .... Why would you take a photo of an obscured speed camera just before you drove through it and set it off?
That makes it 'speeding with intent to speed', punishable by death I believe.
Did you not read the First post?
If you did, how come you missed the bit about turning round and driving back to ..... oh, what's the point. You probably won't be reading all this anyway.
That makes it 'speeding with intent to speed', punishable by death I believe.
Did you not read the First post?
If you did, how come you missed the bit about turning round and driving back to ..... oh, what's the point. You probably won't be reading all this anyway.
5tevie said:
Did you not read the First post?
If you did, how come you missed the bit about turning round and driving back to ..... oh, what's the point. You probably won't be reading all this anyway.
Thanks for the insult Mr 14-Poster.If you did, how come you missed the bit about turning round and driving back to ..... oh, what's the point. You probably won't be reading all this anyway.
The OP activates his wizard wheeze and has his day in court. He tries to get off the charge by showing the judge the photo of the 'obscured' speed camera. 'Look m'lud, the camera sign is obscured so I want the speeding offence thrown out on a technicality. The judge asks 'As you have proven you knew the camera was there, why did you then proceed to break the speed limit?'
You admit that you have no idea whether it will work, so why not try it to see who is right?
Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 24th April 18:43
Simpo Two said:
The judge asks 'As you have proven you knew the camera was there, why did you then proceed to break the speed limit?'
1. Flash Flash.2. WFT was that? No camera warning signs were seen, I'm an observant driver and would have seen them, I'll go investigate.
3. Look, now I'm on foot I've found the sign. It was obscured. Here's a photo.
4. Let me off because the signs were obscured. (I only stopped to look for them after noticing the flash flash.)
Precisely. And if you're an 'observant driver' as claimed you'd have seen the big dayglo yellow box, no?
Regardless of smart-alec 'loopholes' cooked up by the PBM (Poor Bloody Motorist), the police and the legal system have spent many years seeing through them. And even if they can't, you're guilty anyway. Think about it - if it was that easy, everybody would do it.
If you're rich you can instruct Nick Freeman - but they're probaby getting wise to him as well. (Interestingly Nick went to the same Poly as me, but we weren't contemporaries)
But if the OP cares to try it, and wins, then I will happily admit I was wrong.
Maybe this could be moved to SPL - and then I don't have to see it while I'm reading about Jaguars.
Regardless of smart-alec 'loopholes' cooked up by the PBM (Poor Bloody Motorist), the police and the legal system have spent many years seeing through them. And even if they can't, you're guilty anyway. Think about it - if it was that easy, everybody would do it.
If you're rich you can instruct Nick Freeman - but they're probaby getting wise to him as well. (Interestingly Nick went to the same Poly as me, but we weren't contemporaries)
But if the OP cares to try it, and wins, then I will happily admit I was wrong.
Maybe this could be moved to SPL - and then I don't have to see it while I'm reading about Jaguars.
...or perhaps get a self adhesive Radiation sign and affix it to the back of the camera as the pulse doppler system uses a radiation emmiter in the same way as a fighter aircraft does (they have to have the stickers on their noses BTW).
Then see how long it is before the locals get the fear because the media has told them all radiation is bad and the camera gets taken away....just a thought
Then see how long it is before the locals get the fear because the media has told them all radiation is bad and the camera gets taken away....just a thought
You would be better off checking whether the speed limit sign was obscured - if it is, then the limit in unenforcible.
Presently on the A591 approaching Windermere, there is a 50 mph limit in place, but the smaller side roads are NSL, and each has had to have signs installed to that effect.
At the Black Moss turning, the sign has been struck - presumably by an agricultural vehicle, and the NSL is now presented to oncoming traffic in the 50 limit.
Despite dozens of local authority workers travelling that way, along with police and emergency services, this sign has remained this way for some weeks now.
http://maps.google.com/maps?num=50&hl=en&s...
Any driver doing 60mph beyond that point would not be liable for a penalty!
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-2337901...
Presently on the A591 approaching Windermere, there is a 50 mph limit in place, but the smaller side roads are NSL, and each has had to have signs installed to that effect.
At the Black Moss turning, the sign has been struck - presumably by an agricultural vehicle, and the NSL is now presented to oncoming traffic in the 50 limit.
Despite dozens of local authority workers travelling that way, along with police and emergency services, this sign has remained this way for some weeks now.
http://maps.google.com/maps?num=50&hl=en&s...
Any driver doing 60mph beyond that point would not be liable for a penalty!
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-2337901...
No sympathy from police for A40 speed camera victims
POLICE have criticised drivers 'flouting' the new 30mph limit on the A40 in Denham as it emerged that 420 more drivers have been caught by the new speed camera during the first two weeks of April.
When the speed cameras were first installed last month, 1,000 drivers were flashed within the first four days. Motorists angrily described the cameras as 'unfair' and said there were no clear signs warning them the limit had been lowered from 50mph to 30mph.
Several readers have got in touch to complain about the cameras, and an action group is being formed to appeal against the speeding convictions.
New figures from Thames Valley Police show that 429 offences have been recorded on the camera since March 30. Chief Inspector Gill Wootton said this public outcry is 'unacceptable'.
She said: "I am disappointed by the number of drivers that are evidently flouting the new speed limits in this area. It was introduced to reduce the risk of accidents and to increase public safety."
Louise Graham, 49, from Chalfont St Peter, said she feels 'humiliated' and 'disgusted' by being punished with an 'unnecessary' speed-awareness course and a £400 fine after travelling at what she thought was below the speed limit.
She said: "I saw a sign for 50mph, but it was chaos on the road with bollards everywhere and another sign for 30mph close by, so I braked down to 34mph. I was flashed by the camera and I am really upset - this is terribly unfair as I am such a careful and conscientious driver, and always have been.
"I think it is an absolute disgrace that we are being treated like this, and I am desperate to find other people to make a group to fight back."
Another Beaconsfield motorist said: "How can this possibly be justified or enforced when signs are missing, poorly placed or incorrect?
"There is now one large 30mph sign on the dual carriageway just after the A412 lights, but unfortunately for drivers - and not those operating this scam - it's very easy to miss this sign if you are turning left on to the A40 from the A412.
"I'm sure a couple of weeks ago there was one on each side, but now the nearside one seems to have disappeared again."
Inspector Wootton said: "It's unacceptable that people feel this speed limit does not apply to them."
For more information about forming an action group, visit www.pepipoo.com.
http://www.buckinghamshireadvertiser.co.uk/south-b...
POLICE have criticised drivers 'flouting' the new 30mph limit on the A40 in Denham as it emerged that 420 more drivers have been caught by the new speed camera during the first two weeks of April.
When the speed cameras were first installed last month, 1,000 drivers were flashed within the first four days. Motorists angrily described the cameras as 'unfair' and said there were no clear signs warning them the limit had been lowered from 50mph to 30mph.
Several readers have got in touch to complain about the cameras, and an action group is being formed to appeal against the speeding convictions.
New figures from Thames Valley Police show that 429 offences have been recorded on the camera since March 30. Chief Inspector Gill Wootton said this public outcry is 'unacceptable'.
She said: "I am disappointed by the number of drivers that are evidently flouting the new speed limits in this area. It was introduced to reduce the risk of accidents and to increase public safety."
Louise Graham, 49, from Chalfont St Peter, said she feels 'humiliated' and 'disgusted' by being punished with an 'unnecessary' speed-awareness course and a £400 fine after travelling at what she thought was below the speed limit.
She said: "I saw a sign for 50mph, but it was chaos on the road with bollards everywhere and another sign for 30mph close by, so I braked down to 34mph. I was flashed by the camera and I am really upset - this is terribly unfair as I am such a careful and conscientious driver, and always have been.
"I think it is an absolute disgrace that we are being treated like this, and I am desperate to find other people to make a group to fight back."
Another Beaconsfield motorist said: "How can this possibly be justified or enforced when signs are missing, poorly placed or incorrect?
"There is now one large 30mph sign on the dual carriageway just after the A412 lights, but unfortunately for drivers - and not those operating this scam - it's very easy to miss this sign if you are turning left on to the A40 from the A412.
"I'm sure a couple of weeks ago there was one on each side, but now the nearside one seems to have disappeared again."
Inspector Wootton said: "It's unacceptable that people feel this speed limit does not apply to them."
For more information about forming an action group, visit www.pepipoo.com.
http://www.buckinghamshireadvertiser.co.uk/south-b...
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