Nut removal help
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vetteheadracer

Original Poster:

8,273 posts

274 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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Any bright ideas how I can remove 2 very stubborn buggers, one is a stud with a nut on it, the other is a bolt (I think).

These two are holding the oil pan onto velveteen, one is front left the other rear right. I have removed all of the 3/8" and other 1/2" studs and bolts and these 2 are the only ones I cannot budge. My biggest problem is the 1/2" stud has a rounded head so the 1/2 deep socket spins on the nut, I've tried hammering a smalled socket onto the nut and that is just mashing the nut too. I soaked both in WD40 before and during removal but to no avail.
The one at the front is easy to access with a deep socket but I cannot get near it with a spanner because of where it is.
The rear one is accessible thru a small gap in the front cross member and again the 1/2" socket just slips on the head. I have tried using both metric and imperial sockets to see if I can get one to grip to both of the little feckers but so far no luck.

Normally at this point my friend MR Angle Grinder would be called into action to chop the nuts off but there is no way I can get access to either nut.

Any advice gratefully received.

ZR1cliff

17,999 posts

270 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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How much of the thread is showing?

ZR1cliff

17,999 posts

270 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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Nige if you can get 2 nuts on the stud then you can use one to lock the other and turn with a fresh nut,if you can do this try giving a sharp tap to get it moving,as for the bolt try using an old screwdriver and hammmer to carefully tap it loose if you can get in on it.
Also try putting all the other fastenings back in and do them up tight to take the pressure off the 2 that are SOB.

>> Edited by ZR1cliff on Monday 3rd October 13:09

Corsette

135 posts

256 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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Nige

For rounded heads try the bolt grip remover.

For tough nuts try the impact driver.

These can be found under autromotive tools at

www.buckandryan.co.uk/

te51cle

2,342 posts

269 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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Repeated doses of WD40 and bashing of an impact driver is the only technique I've ever had to use. Would it be possible to use your welding skills to weld a new nut on to the old ones and use that to gain a good purchase on it ?

stevieturbo

17,916 posts

268 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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Snap On ? Bluepoint make an incredible tool for removing rounded nuts.

Its basically a socket, with a reverse screw thread in it, but very very sharp. I borrowed one, one time, and was amazed at how good it was.
Not sure if anyone else makes them.

What engine is it on ?? LS1/6 should be all metric fasteners.

te51cle

2,342 posts

269 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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Just a thought, but have you put the other nuts and bolts back in to support the oil pan and prevent it distorting/putting unwanted pressure on the stiff nuts while you are attacking the two stubborn ones ?

Gixer

4,463 posts

269 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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stevieturbo said:
Snap On ? Bluepoint make an incredible tool for removing rounded nuts.

Its basically a socket, with a reverse screw thread in it, but very very sharp. I borrowed one, one time, and was amazed at how good it was.
Not sure if anyone else makes them.

What engine is it on ?? LS1/6 should be all metric fasteners.


I have a set of these that I bought last trip to the states. I noticed somewhere that did them over here recently....might have been machine mart. I also have a set of spanners that grip the sides of the nut instead of the corners - they usually work still on rounded nut unless they are really bad - if I wasnt so far away, I'd pop em round

vetteheadracer

Original Poster:

8,273 posts

274 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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stevieturbo said:
Snap On ? Bluepoint make an incredible tool for removing rounded nuts.

Its basically a socket, with a reverse screw thread in it, but very very sharp. I borrowed one, one time, and was amazed at how good it was.
Not sure if anyone else makes them.

What engine is it on ?? LS1/6 should be all metric fasteners.


LT4 circa 1996 hence the imperial not metric! It fooled me for a while on saturday I had to go and find my old imperial socket set and spanners!

Thanks for the advice guys very useful and has given me some ideas!

Y50 VET

475 posts

263 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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Oxyacetylene?

c4koh

735 posts

265 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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For these 'snap on' fellas:

Machine Mart do two sets (different sizes basically) of these chaps from a company called 'Irwin':

www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040214679&r=2073&g=111



... Are these the same type of thing as was being talked about?

Gixer

4,463 posts

269 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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yeah thats em

xyyman

1,093 posts

246 months

Saturday 8th October 2005
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Believe it or not Halfords do something similar. I bought one to remove a locking wheel nut after I lost the key. Worked a treat just like a socket so can be used where space is at a premium.

Phil

vetteheadracer

Original Poster:

8,273 posts

274 months

Sunday 9th October 2005
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c4koh said:
For these 'snap on' fellas:

Machine Mart do two sets (different sizes basically) of these chaps from a company called 'Irwin':

www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040214679&r=2073&g=111



... Are these the same type of thing as was being talked about?


Bought a set of these yesterday....Wow Absolutely brilliant got both of the naughty nuts off straight away

Only other problem I had was I had to undo the engine mounts and jack up the engine about 1/2" to get the back of the sump out
All I've got to do now is cut a hole in the side of the new sump for the oil return for the supercharger and then put the new sump and gasket in and put it all back together again.....a little job for next weekend.

Gixer

4,463 posts

269 months

Sunday 9th October 2005
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vetteheadracer said:


Bought a set of these yesterday....Wow Absolutely brilliant got both of the naughty nuts off straight away



Now you know why I bought a set when I first spotted them over in the states. Good to hear they made that job go well after all. The other tool I intend to get is the socket that is full of pins that slide out meaning it will fit any size nut/rounded nut and will turn it. Not seen these for a while.

te51cle

2,342 posts

269 months

Monday 10th October 2005
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Gixer said:
The other tool I intend to get is the socket that is full of pins that slide out meaning it will fit any size nut/rounded nut and will turn it. Not seen these for a while.


Have seen these at my local bargain shop. Doubt they're good quality though !

Gixer

4,463 posts

269 months

Monday 10th October 2005
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No I dont. You need the 'original' quality one

c4koh

735 posts

265 months

Monday 10th October 2005
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Well seems like good things found about those sockets then from machine mart. I'll go out and get some - I think they'll also be very useful for removing stubborn bleed valves from brake calipers, a problem I had on both of my fronts :-(

vetteheadracer

Original Poster:

8,273 posts

274 months

Monday 10th October 2005
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c4koh said:
Well seems like good things found about those sockets then from machine mart. I'll go out and get some - I think they'll also be very useful for removing stubborn bleed valves from brake calipers, a problem I had on both of my fronts :-(


Only problem with these is that they are fairly "short" i.e. if you have a nut on a long stud then you might struggle to get the rachet to engage into the end of the socket. They could do with making a set of longer ones.
I bought both the original set and the supplemental set (5 sockets in each of differing sizes). You get a box to keep them in with the original set. Total cost from Machine Mart in Gloucester was less than £40....oh! apart from the new hammer and a new set of long imperial sockets.....