Caterham notched up £600,000 loss
Caterham notched up £600,000 loss
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TeflonT

1,670 posts

292 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I doubt it. Ali Baba got it into its most profitable state, then it makes a loss during the first full year of new ownership?

Lucky all Tony wanted was the name eh?

DCL

1,228 posts

208 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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TeflonT said:
I doubt it. Ali Baba got it into its most profitable state, then it makes a loss during the first full year of new ownership?

Lucky all Tony wanted was the name eh?
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framerateuk

2,935 posts

213 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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I admit, Tony F's plans for Caterham scare the crap out of me.

However, Ansar Ali's work with Zenos is looking really good, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing what they come up with. Could well be my next car from what I've seen so far...

aztec

178 posts

265 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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Shocked at this, must be some massaging of accounts to show that kind of loss, have they heard of discounts yet? Let's face it £50K for a basic unpainted 620R is a big ask, lots of fun mind :-)

curley

436 posts

248 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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aztec said:
Shocked at this, must be some massaging of accounts to show that kind of loss, have they heard of discounts yet? Let's face it £50K for a basic unpainted 620R is a big ask, lots of fun mind :-)
Yep £50K is a lot but i tested both the 620R and The BAC Mono and whilst the Mono is a great looker it isn't as entertaining to drive , its engine is rough and it is twice the price .
My money went on a 620R order

kenny.R400

1,212 posts

269 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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As I've said to a couple of other blokes........50k is not out of the way for their flagship model.

Mine cost 45k back in 1998 so it's not hugely been hit by inflation.

Grubbster

324 posts

199 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Didn't they have to pay out half a mil to 2 ex-directors?

Murph7355

41,954 posts

285 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Holywow said:
But cars have been getting cheaper...
I'm not convinced performance cars have. In fact I'm far from convinced.

Dr Slotter

408 posts

175 months

Sunday 17th November 2013
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Grubbster said:
Didn't they have to pay out half a mil to 2 ex-directors?
There will also have been the development/marketing costs of the two new models.

mickrick

3,759 posts

202 months

Sunday 17th November 2013
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and the Karts, bikes, SP300, Alpine project etc. etc. It´ll be boats next I suppose. Or maybe aircraft. rolleyes

deeen

6,398 posts

274 months

Sunday 17th November 2013
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Well it's around 3% of turnover? Not the end of the world, although not sustainable for ever of course. Development costs not an excuse, as they should be amortised (sp?) over a number of years. Why on earth are they developing motorbikes, though?

TeflonT

1,670 posts

292 months

Monday 18th November 2013
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Do you really believe Caterham turn over £20m?


jonnyleroux

1,511 posts

289 months

Monday 18th November 2013
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TeflonT said:
Do you really believe Caterham turn over £20m?
Are you suggesting Caterham would lie on their published accounts (£18,168,421 in 2012)? if so, to what end?

Jonny
BaT


DCL

1,228 posts

208 months

Monday 18th November 2013
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That seems about right, averaging about £30-35K per car. My concern is that they'll need to up the sales numbers significantly if that are marketing lower value cars such as the 160. Not sure that'll happen.

TeflonT

1,670 posts

292 months

Monday 18th November 2013
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No Jonny.

But given the number of new cars sold, that's an awful lot of spares.

framerateuk

2,935 posts

213 months

Monday 18th November 2013
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New cars sold
Used cars sold
Servicing
Upgrades
Parts

20m isn't that far fetched when you consider everything.

mickrick

3,759 posts

202 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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I don´t think they´re developing the motorbike. I think that´s an existing bike they have taken and painted it in Caterham colours.
I have seen it before on a bike web site. Just a marketing ploy me thinks. Maybe they can do a line in Caterham luggage..

Who would have thought a little village in Engeland would become a brand. smile

QBee

22,436 posts

173 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Chartered Accountant here - with turnover of 18 million the accounts will almost certainly have been audited by an independent firm of accountants, so you can believe the numbers.

Development costs cannot be carried forward and spread over future years other than things like production tooling. Design costs would have to be written off as incurred. So a big push on new models could result in a big loss.

Accounts have to be annual - development plans don't. As long as the results match the expectations of the investors there should be nothing to worry about.

I own a TVR..... jester

mrsdemon

81 posts

159 months

Sunday 24th November 2013
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QBee said:
Chartered Accountant here:
Really sorry to hear that. Never mind hey we can't all be perfect smile

Edited by mrsdemon on Sunday 24th November 00:26