Forza 7 vs Project Cars 2
Discussion
Like many of us I have been dabbling in a spot of sim racing again recently. I am by no means an Uber competitive racer nor do I have the time or inclination to spend hours on perfecting setups be they for the car in game or indeed the wheel I’m using (Thrustmaster TX). I am playing on an Xbox one x.
Project cars 2 seems like the perfect game in many ways to me. I love the time of day changes and the variety of cars. I just can’t get on with the handling, particularly the way the FFB feels. I have tried ploughing though the endless forum threads and arguments over the ‘right’ FFB setup. That’s before I even start trying to setup the cars. I just can’t gel with the game and the FFB seems all over the place, lumpy unpredictable and disconnected.
This brings be to Forza 7. The snob in me tells me that it is the inferior title (not a sim etc..) and I shouldn’t even waste my time with it but I just gave it a spin and despite myself and despite its many imperfections, I just find it more fun. The FFB reacts how I would expect it to and I can catch slides and kid myself that I am Oliver Gavin in a Corvette at Le Mans. I can also easily download setups from players who are much more skilled than me which makes life a lot easier.
Before I give up on Project Cars 2 altogether, can anyone recommend some fool proof wheel settings that will provide smooth, realistic FFB.
Cheers!
Project cars 2 seems like the perfect game in many ways to me. I love the time of day changes and the variety of cars. I just can’t get on with the handling, particularly the way the FFB feels. I have tried ploughing though the endless forum threads and arguments over the ‘right’ FFB setup. That’s before I even start trying to setup the cars. I just can’t gel with the game and the FFB seems all over the place, lumpy unpredictable and disconnected.
This brings be to Forza 7. The snob in me tells me that it is the inferior title (not a sim etc..) and I shouldn’t even waste my time with it but I just gave it a spin and despite myself and despite its many imperfections, I just find it more fun. The FFB reacts how I would expect it to and I can catch slides and kid myself that I am Oliver Gavin in a Corvette at Le Mans. I can also easily download setups from players who are much more skilled than me which makes life a lot easier.
Before I give up on Project Cars 2 altogether, can anyone recommend some fool proof wheel settings that will provide smooth, realistic FFB.
Cheers!
24lemons said:
Like many of us I have been dabbling in a spot of sim racing again recently. I am by no means an Uber competitive racer nor do I have the time or inclination to spend hours on perfecting setups be they for the car in game or indeed the wheel I’m using (Thrustmaster TX). I am playing on an Xbox one x.
Project cars 2 seems like the perfect game in many ways to me. I love the time of day changes and the variety of cars. I just can’t get on with the handling, particularly the way the FFB feels. I have tried ploughing though the endless forum threads and arguments over the ‘right’ FFB setup. That’s before I even start trying to setup the cars. I just can’t gel with the game and the FFB seems all over the place, lumpy unpredictable and disconnected.
This brings be to Forza 7. The snob in me tells me that it is the inferior title (not a sim etc..) and I shouldn’t even waste my time with it but I just gave it a spin and despite myself and despite its many imperfections, I just find it more fun. The FFB reacts how I would expect it to and I can catch slides and kid myself that I am Oliver Gavin in a Corvette at Le Mans. I can also easily download setups from players who are much more skilled than me which makes life a lot easier.
Before I give up on Project Cars 2 altogether, can anyone recommend some fool proof wheel settings that will provide smooth, realistic FFB.
Cheers!
same here - i have both and i always turn to F7 for some fun but its got a more sim feel than arcade, where as PC2 seems to be out and out sim with very little compromise - the steering wheel setup took me ages and still not got it right, although i believe its not the wheel, i believe its the fact the cars are so sensitive and simulated that unless you really know how to set them up you end up just not feeling "right" with it - i feel unless i'm willing to spend a lot on a sim chair and perfect physical setup then start tweeking the cars setup then i wont get any immediate enjoyment out of the game - i decided i'm not going down that route and i just enjoy Forza 7 . (thankfully i got PC2 almost free with a discount code/key) - if PC2 had a simple "slider bar" that you could move from simulation to arcade and it would change the settings accordingly it would prob bring me back to it , because the actual racing environment is graphically stunning.Project cars 2 seems like the perfect game in many ways to me. I love the time of day changes and the variety of cars. I just can’t get on with the handling, particularly the way the FFB feels. I have tried ploughing though the endless forum threads and arguments over the ‘right’ FFB setup. That’s before I even start trying to setup the cars. I just can’t gel with the game and the FFB seems all over the place, lumpy unpredictable and disconnected.
This brings be to Forza 7. The snob in me tells me that it is the inferior title (not a sim etc..) and I shouldn’t even waste my time with it but I just gave it a spin and despite myself and despite its many imperfections, I just find it more fun. The FFB reacts how I would expect it to and I can catch slides and kid myself that I am Oliver Gavin in a Corvette at Le Mans. I can also easily download setups from players who are much more skilled than me which makes life a lot easier.
Before I give up on Project Cars 2 altogether, can anyone recommend some fool proof wheel settings that will provide smooth, realistic FFB.
Cheers!
Is there a demo of assetto corsa you can try? The FFB settings are great out the box and with a minimum of strings super easy to tweak - basically, strength slider is all you need, and then if you want you can add understeer and kerb effects. To me it feels excellent and imo the physics are pretty good too (although catching a slide seems much harder than it should, i think due to excessive tyre temperature effects).
I downloaded a demo of pcars2, thought the FFB was poor and couldn't get my head around half the myriad of settings, and the view looked a bit weird to me too. Deleted it after trying a few races.
I downloaded a demo of pcars2, thought the FFB was poor and couldn't get my head around half the myriad of settings, and the view looked a bit weird to me too. Deleted it after trying a few races.
Edited by skinny on Sunday 5th April 11:07
skinny said:
Is there a demo of assetto corsa you can try? The FFB settings are super easy to me feel excellent and imo the physics are pretty good too (although catching a slide seems much harder than it should)
I’d like to give it a try as I’ve heard good things. I have my eye on AC Competizione too although I’m not sure if it will be a bit too hardcore for me. rider73 said:
same here - i have both and i always turn to F7 for some fun but its got a more sim feel than arcade, where as PC2 seems to be out and out sim with very little compromise - the steering wheel setup took me ages and still not got it right, although i believe its not the wheel, i believe its the fact the cars are so sensitive and simulated that unless you really know how to set them up you end up just not feeling "right" with it - i feel unless i'm willing to spend a lot on a sim chair and perfect physical setup then start tweeking the cars setup then i wont get any immediate enjoyment out of the game - i decided i'm not going down that route and i just enjoy Forza 7 . (thankfully i got PC2 almost free with a discount code/key) - if PC2 had a simple "slider bar" that you could move from simulation to arcade and it would change the settings accordingly it would prob bring me back to it , because the actual racing environment is graphically stunning.
It’s possible that I simply lack the time/enthusiasm/knowledge to invest into the game to get the most out of it. It’s just not possible to dip in and out of and I’ve honestly spent as much time tweaking ffb settings and going around in circles trying to fumble my way through car setups than I have actually driving (and actually enjoying it). rustfalia said:
Just play what you enjoy the most.
Forza motorsport has always been the one for me.
Although I'm currently addicted to Dirt 2.0.
I’m coming to that conclusion but I want to love Project Cars so much as it should allow me to race the way I want to (Multi class endurance racing). Forza motorsport has always been the one for me.
Although I'm currently addicted to Dirt 2.0.
24lemons said:
I’d like to give it a try as I’ve heard good things. I have my eye on AC Competizione too although I’m not sure if it will be a bit too hardcore for me.
For console, AC is generally very highly regarded from a driving perspective, i love it. The cars and tracks are limited perhaps compared to other games and the interface a bit clunky, but once you've found a good combo it's just great fun. From what I've heard, ACC is super realistic but this doesn't mean it's super difficult - because the physics are so good, the cars handle as you would expect.
For me it's not one or the other, because of the pure focus of ACC on the Blancpain GT racing series so it doesn't have variety of cars that AC does, it's more akin to an F1 game.
24lemons said:
skinny said:
Is there a demo of assetto corsa you can try? The FFB settings are super easy to me feel excellent and imo the physics are pretty good too (although catching a slide seems much harder than it should)
I’d like to give it a try as I’ve heard good things. I have my eye on AC Competizione too although I’m not sure if it will be a bit too hardcore for me. I've played AC, ACC and project cars a lot on PC and would agree with most are saying here. AC feels like you are properly in contact with the road but I only ever use it for hot lapping as I find the ai terrible. Properly simulated hybrids like the Porsche 919 are a proper laugh though. Something neither Forza or project cars does properly.
ACC is great if you like GT3 cars, can properly thump the kerbs. Day/night and weather transitions are great. Track options without the DLC are rather limited though, a few tracks I hate driving like Paul Ricard.
I don't mind Project cars 2 that much, but the cars do feel a bit floaty. I never quite feel that I'm actually in contact with the road even though the rest of it feels OK.
I have a logitech g27, so unfortunately can't use it with the xbox one and forza 7.
ACC is great if you like GT3 cars, can properly thump the kerbs. Day/night and weather transitions are great. Track options without the DLC are rather limited though, a few tracks I hate driving like Paul Ricard.
I don't mind Project cars 2 that much, but the cars do feel a bit floaty. I never quite feel that I'm actually in contact with the road even though the rest of it feels OK.
I have a logitech g27, so unfortunately can't use it with the xbox one and forza 7.
Project cars 2 handling is crap imo. It just doesn’t make sense. Forza is much better although not regarded as an out and out sim. As you say the cars handle as you expect which is good enough for me.
I’d also say that Assetto Corsa is better again but there’s not as much variety. I like to switch between the two as well as dirt rally 2.0 and F1.
All games drive differently so it’s just a case of what you like and getting used to it.
I’d also say that Assetto Corsa is better again but there’s not as much variety. I like to switch between the two as well as dirt rally 2.0 and F1.
All games drive differently so it’s just a case of what you like and getting used to it.
PC2 has a lot going for it, but the handling is not one of those things unless you have a very good rig and you're prepared to spend a lot of time tuning each car for each track - because that's what a race team would do except they would pay for this service!
I played a lot of PC2 and found that you could get a reasonable setup on a car that would work for most tracks in the game with gearing being the thing that you'd need to tweak on some courses.
The things that I really didn't like about the handling:
1) Road cars are just awful, with loads of OTT body roll added. They are too twitchy, tending towards sloppy understeer and then oversteer.
2) With so many variables in the handling model, it can be difficult to identify what it is that needs to be tweaked. For my taste, the big difference was softening the response to oversteer. I found that responding to the beginning of oversteer in one direction tended towards the car shooting off like a catapult in the other direction. This could be tamed but then tended towards making all the cars feel a bit understeery, which meant you needed to turn in on the brakes. Not an ideal solution.
It was just never even close to Forza's consistency and usability. What Forza trades in tweakability, it benefits immensely by just working well out of the box. Luckily PC2 with all the DLC cost me just £11 so I wasn't too disappointed with it.
I played a lot of PC2 and found that you could get a reasonable setup on a car that would work for most tracks in the game with gearing being the thing that you'd need to tweak on some courses.
The things that I really didn't like about the handling:
1) Road cars are just awful, with loads of OTT body roll added. They are too twitchy, tending towards sloppy understeer and then oversteer.
2) With so many variables in the handling model, it can be difficult to identify what it is that needs to be tweaked. For my taste, the big difference was softening the response to oversteer. I found that responding to the beginning of oversteer in one direction tended towards the car shooting off like a catapult in the other direction. This could be tamed but then tended towards making all the cars feel a bit understeery, which meant you needed to turn in on the brakes. Not an ideal solution.
It was just never even close to Forza's consistency and usability. What Forza trades in tweakability, it benefits immensely by just working well out of the box. Luckily PC2 with all the DLC cost me just £11 so I wasn't too disappointed with it.
Out of frustration I downloaded Assetto
Corsa including the DLC for £31. It does feel much better out of the box although the UI and setup menus leave a lot to be desired. The FFB can be prone to heavy unpredictable jolts particularly on the straights where the wheel can just begin fighting itself. Much like PC2.
I wish that you could share community tunes and even wheel settings so that people who aren’t good at that stuff (me) can still get some enjoyment out of the game. Not all racing drivers are great at setting up cars... I realise this can be done on PC but consoles are generally aimed at the more casual gamer.
I think what I’m coming round to realising is that I want the content, variety and customisation of PC2 combined with the handling and sounds of AC, finished off with the accessibility and playability of Forza 7. That cant be too hard can it?!!
Corsa including the DLC for £31. It does feel much better out of the box although the UI and setup menus leave a lot to be desired. The FFB can be prone to heavy unpredictable jolts particularly on the straights where the wheel can just begin fighting itself. Much like PC2.
I wish that you could share community tunes and even wheel settings so that people who aren’t good at that stuff (me) can still get some enjoyment out of the game. Not all racing drivers are great at setting up cars... I realise this can be done on PC but consoles are generally aimed at the more casual gamer.
I think what I’m coming round to realising is that I want the content, variety and customisation of PC2 combined with the handling and sounds of AC, finished off with the accessibility and playability of Forza 7. That cant be too hard can it?!!
I'm a long time Forza fan, have been playing it since FM3.
Installed PC2 on the weekend as it's free on game pass, figured another driving sim might be worth a punt.
I uninstalled it after an hour of play.
The handling is garbage, its so twitchy on a controller that its more or less unplayable, across a variety of cars... it sucks any enjoyment from the game and makes the learning curve far too steep to warrant putting the time in..
Shame really as the graphics and overall presentation are nice, and there are some great circuits.
Installed PC2 on the weekend as it's free on game pass, figured another driving sim might be worth a punt.
I uninstalled it after an hour of play.
The handling is garbage, its so twitchy on a controller that its more or less unplayable, across a variety of cars... it sucks any enjoyment from the game and makes the learning curve far too steep to warrant putting the time in..
Shame really as the graphics and overall presentation are nice, and there are some great circuits.
24lemons said:
I wish that you could share community tunes and even wheel settings so that people who aren’t good at that stuff (me) can still get some enjoyment out of the game. Not all racing drivers are great at setting up cars... I realise this can be done on PC but consoles are generally aimed at the more casual gamer.
I rarely adjust car set up, if i do it's just a little more toe in to calm the rear out of corners on gt3 cars and the like. Wheel settings i have strength around 35 on t300rs, 20 kerbs (a canned effect which gives rumble over smooth kerbs). Don't need anything else and even kerbs isn't really necessary
If you are willing to put the time in, PC2 can be quite rewarding. It certainly offers a better 'motorsport' experience than FM7, with the career, race weekends etc.
But overall, despite being one of the weaker games in the series, FM7 is better and more fun.
As an alternative, F1 2019 was excellent, you are obviously limited in car choice and circuits though.
But overall, despite being one of the weaker games in the series, FM7 is better and more fun.
As an alternative, F1 2019 was excellent, you are obviously limited in car choice and circuits though.
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