Forza 2 patch out today
Forza 2 patch out today
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Fidgits

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17,202 posts

257 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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So if you want to sell a car you've bought/been gifted with a locked paintjob - do it now... otherwise you wont be able to put it on the auction wink

Also, your Elan wont be able to be used online afterwards either..

Civpilot

6,255 posts

268 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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They have also confirmed there will be no "money cap" implemented and that DLC is very much on the cards with the first package scheduled for an August release and more to follow.

The exact statement is as follows....

Turn10 said:
I've gotten my inbox stuffed with questions and requests for Forza 2 downloadable content -- are we going to have more cars or tracks? When is it coming? The general answer to that question has always been "yes," we definitely have DLC up our sleeves and will release a series of car packs and new tracks starting in August and running probably through a good chunk of fall. Forza Motorsport 2 is definitely here to stay.
I like the "series of car packs" bit and new tracks will always be welcome smile

Fidgits

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17,202 posts

257 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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except the 'packs' suggest $$$$

Civpilot

6,255 posts

268 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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Thing is though they are under no real obligation to produce any extra content anyway, so if they are going to produce optional extra content I don't really have that much of a problem paying a bit extra if its worth getting (Extra tracks and cars both seem like worth getting to me). It's not as if we should expect them to expand the game at no extra cost.

Ok, some PC games offer patches that add in extra maps and content, but equally others charge on average about £5 for not much extra (Battlefield 2 & 2142 spring to mind). Being a console game its only the advent of the online access and on board memory that has enabled the makers to do this otherwise we would have to wait for Forza3.

Bring it on I say smile

Although I reserve the right not to buy it if the new additional cars are crap

Fidgits

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257 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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well, as long as they do what PGR did - and give you a free download of the car skins, so you can still race online (against people with it) without having to buy the add-ons.

Of course, you'll probably have to buy the new tracks...

Civpilot

6,255 posts

268 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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Well you can race me online when I am in my 360CS (or ST204) so I think that is a given unless they seriously forget what they have done. Don't get me wrong, I would love the DLC for free, but thats never going to happen.

So I would rather pay a little for them now than have turn10 say somthing like "Yes you can have all the DLC free, tell you what, we will include them in Forza3 totally FOC?"

ps. Realised after logging off last night that I had tuned the ST204 gearing for a couple of oval blasts and it was still in that super long state at the start of the 'ring race. Hence the reason it was so slow off the grid and so slow to accelerate. DOH!!!

Stig

11,823 posts

312 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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Civpilot said:
ps. Realised after logging off last night that I had tuned the ST204 gearing for a couple of oval blasts and it was still in that super long state at the start of the 'ring race. Hence the reason it was so slow off the grid and so slow to accelerate. DOH!!!
How odd - I realised after logging off last night that playing Forza after 4 pints at lunchtime and a bottle of vino in the evening is rather detrimental to your true skill rating biggrin

Still had a laugh as usual thanks to you, Fidgits, Mekon, Matty etc. yes

:J:

2,593 posts

253 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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Civpilot said:
Thing is though they are under no real obligation to produce any extra content anyway, so if they are going to produce optional extra content I don't really have that much of a problem paying a bit extra if its worth getting (Extra tracks and cars both seem like worth getting to me). It's not as if we should expect them to expand the game at no extra cost.

Bring it on I say smile

Although I reserve the right not to buy it if the new additional cars are crap
Quite the opposite, they are under a massive obligation, after numerous delays and the chance of yet another delay, they pulled some tracks out of the game to allow them to hit the release date. They did this on the premis that they would be **free ** DLC in the near future.

I for one will be well miffed if I have to pay for the extra tracks as they were originally meant to be encompassed(sp?) in the game I have already paid for.

chilled

588 posts

252 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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The extra content will be free probably. But you'll have to wait a while, as it's released as pay content first.

Mattt

16,664 posts

246 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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Installed the patch, now I cannot load any races up, ing Microsoft/Turn10.

TimDarracott

1,138 posts

249 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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I don't mind paying for DLC at all smile

tim2100

6,288 posts

285 months

Monday 23rd July 2007
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TimDarracott said:
I don't mind paying for DLC at all smile
Would you still be glad to pay for DLC when a game costing £40 comes with 1 car and two tracks and the rest you must pay for at £1 each.....

Payable DLC is good however they must be carefuly that it must be in addition to the game and not to complete the game. Not everybody will have access to the net to download the completion of the game.

Civpilot

6,255 posts

268 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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:J: said:
Civpilot said:
Thing is though they are under no real obligation to produce any extra content anyway, so if they are going to produce optional extra content I don't really have that much of a problem paying a bit extra if its worth getting (Extra tracks and cars both seem like worth getting to me). It's not as if we should expect them to expand the game at no extra cost.

Bring it on I say smile

Although I reserve the right not to buy it if the new additional cars are crap
Quite the opposite, they are under a massive obligation, after numerous delays and the chance of yet another delay, they pulled some tracks out of the game to allow them to hit the release date. They did this on the premis that they would be **free ** DLC in the near future.

I for one will be well miffed if I have to pay for the extra tracks as they were originally meant to be encompassed(sp?) in the game I have already paid for.
Can you provide proof of the statement released by Turn10 saying that the DLC packs would be free? Because I've looked everywhere and I cannot find one place (Apart from a few fan postings on fan boards) where people claim it. I sure as hell can't find Turn10 or anyone who works for them making that promise. If you can provide a link to the **free** promise actually being officially made by Turn10 I would love to see it as that would be great news.

And at the end of the day though, without that promise written down on an official press release by Turn10(ie. Somthing that would be "sue-able" in the USA) and then inserted into every copy of the game box they are not under any obligation to do anything. They released the game as it is and we all bought it. And I've looked, there are no promises written anywhere on the packaging about free extra content at a later date, or on the disc, or in the manual. What we bought is what they released, if they really wanted they could happily now move on to Forza3 without any legal come back.
If you bought it with the express opinion that you would be getting loads extra stuff for free at a later date then I suggest you get hold of that official statement by Turn10 you refer to and get ready to call your solicitor.

And as for the missing release dates and having delays... annoying, but so what at the end of the day? Its a game, a peice of software, a live peice of code constantly being changed and added to. Something that can be hit by unforseen bugs and glitches that need fixing before release. It's not as if they missed the release dates because they were sitting around on thier arses drinking coffee playing thier own demo. I would much rather a proper fixed release than have to sit through postings similar to the ones about the PC version of Test drive unlimited (which works fine for me). Even now the game has glitches that are being fixed.

And besides, when they set those release dates you can be sure as hell that there was a "reserve the right to change" on all the dates, and the same on the game content.

TimDarracott

1,138 posts

249 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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tim2100 said:
TimDarracott said:
I don't mind paying for DLC at all smile
Would you still be glad to pay for DLC when a game costing £40 comes with 1 car and two tracks and the rest you must pay for at £1 each.....

Payable DLC is good however they must be carefuly that it must be in addition to the game and not to complete the game. Not everybody will have access to the net to download the completion of the game.
I thought we were talking Forza 2 DLC not DLC in general. With regards a persons lack of internet access, the same could be said for dashboard and game updates (Unless you can get dashboard updates on disk from MS?). I think the figures of people who have purchased xbox live gold vs owners who haven't would be interesting to see.


Edited by TimDarracott on Tuesday 24th July 08:42

Fidgits

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257 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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actually - the issue is more complicated than the live access... what about those who bought the basic system - no HDD - no updates or DLC...

TimDarracott

1,138 posts

249 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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Well, they were mugs!

tim2100

6,288 posts

285 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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TimDarracott said:
Well, they were mugs!
Thats nice!!!!!

Thudd

3,100 posts

235 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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Everyone said:
Blah
More cars and tracks = A Good Thing.

The game as purchased is good. Extra bits to increase longevity and add interest is better.

Yeah i'd love it if it was free, but I'd stump up £5 for a new track or two and a wodge of new motors.

Rob P

5,815 posts

292 months

Tuesday 24th July 2007
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PGR2 had the booster packs which contained 8 or so tracks, although based around the same city and about 10 cars for £2.99. Thats OK in my opinion but much more than that is a bit OTT.

Fidgits

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Tuesday 24th July 2007
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Rob P said:
PGR2 had the booster packs which contained 8 or so tracks, although based around the same city and about 10 cars for £2.99. Thats OK in my opinion but much more than that is a bit OTT.
yeah, i would expect the pack to contain a decent amount of content for a reasonable price (above sounds fair)..