Thanks to Luca on 300D advice....
Discussion
DustyC said:
Thanks Luca for your recent advice with respect to the 300D/20D.
I was just thinking, yep, its gotta be the 300D and more lenses when this months Photogrpahy Monthly popped through the door with a Canon 20D advert in it.
Damn those marketing people!
Dusty,
That eagle shot of mine you liked...it was taken on a 20D!
(Spanner firmly in works) Martin.
Dusty, Dusty, Dusty... haven't we been here before with the 'Dice of Decision'???? 
Trouble is, the 300D may make more practical sense, but every time you look at yours, you will wish you'd got the 20D instead. So get it; the pleasure of ownership will last long after the cost has been forgotten.
(Or how about a 10D? There must be some deals about...?)
Right, back to Nikon-land, skip tra-la...
Trouble is, the 300D may make more practical sense, but every time you look at yours, you will wish you'd got the 20D instead. So get it; the pleasure of ownership will last long after the cost has been forgotten.
(Or how about a 10D? There must be some deals about...?)
Right, back to Nikon-land, skip tra-la...
And just as you're starting to come to terms with the 1Ds II next to you, someone else turns up with a £20k digital back on a Hasselblad! 
Question you have to ask yourself is what do you want/need your camera to do, and then what camera will do the job.
Will the extra features on the 20D be useful to you?
Personally, I'd go for the 20D due to it's faster autofocus performance, and higher frame rate, which will make quite a difference when shooting motor racing.
Question you have to ask yourself is what do you want/need your camera to do, and then what camera will do the job.
Will the extra features on the 20D be useful to you?
Personally, I'd go for the 20D due to it's faster autofocus performance, and higher frame rate, which will make quite a difference when shooting motor racing.
ehasler said:
Personally, I'd go for the 20D due to it's faster autofocus performance, and higher frame rate, which will make quite a difference when shooting motor racing.
Exactly why I wanted it (but not just for motor sport, got too many motor sport pics now!).
But then a friendly email from Luca helping me decide and I thought Id get the 300 and then could spend the rest on lenses/a lense (or part of one at least!).
A few minutes ago I was just showing a friend thats keen on photography the eagle shot of Martin (V6GTO) (or do I mean the martin shot of an eagle?!). Anyway, i was just telling him it was an EOS300D with an L series lense and then Martin comes back on and ruins it all again!
I know there are jokes around about my decision making but in truth its all just a laugh. I always wanted a Griff, I just couldnt find a perfect one (till I found a very well looked after one thanks to Lake).
This time its different though.
And the difference is at least £700.
I keep thinging that perhaps I should get the 300D and see how I go and then perhaps upgrade at a later stage, but is this cost effective?
I also enjoy the chat with all you regulars since no one else will listen to my waffle about photography! I now have an old borrowed manual SLR at home and have just started to play with it. Imagine how bad my posts are gonna be then!
BTW: My current camera is a standard EOS300 which I'll probably part-ex.
>> Edited by DustyC on Friday 19th November 14:12
DustyC said:
A few minutes ago I was just showing a friend thats keen on photography the eagle shot of Martin (V6GTO) (or do I mean the martin shot of an eagle?!). Anyway, i was just telling him it was an EOS300D with an L series lense and then Martin comes back on and ruins it all again!
Well to be fair the eagle pic could have been taken with any DSLR; it's the lens that makes the difference. So perhaps yes, the sensible money would see you spending less on the body and more on lenses...?
Oh bloody hell, toss a coin!
simpo two said:
Post your home address and Credit Card details on here and let the PH Massive decide for you.
Actually just the CC details will do - I fancy a 70-200 f2.8 VR
Funnily enough, I fancy the Canon equivalent.
I say equivalent, I'm sure it'll be better in some detail than a Nikon - Flameproof suit is already on and I'm on my way out of the door
Hi Dusty, You have plenty of advice from people who are eminently well qualified to offer it. So maybe what you need now is some from someone who isn't the least bit qualified, but has just been down the same path.
I got a 300D with the standard 18-55 lens - £600 from ebuyer. I took a couple of hundred pics in the first week, mostly while at a wedding and being a tourist in Cape Town, and I am pretty happy with them (but not ecstatic) and reading posts in places like dpreview.com it seems better photographers than me don't rate the standard lens very highly. So I accept the common wisdom that says you should spend at least as much on the lens(es) as the body and based on review and forum research I've now got on order these puppies from 7dayshop.com:
1 x Canon EF Fixed Focal Length Lens - 50mm f/1.8 II = £55.00
1 x Canon EF Zoom Lens - 70-200mm f/4.0 L USM = £429.00
Like at least one other thing in life, the fun is in the chase. Take your time
I got a 300D with the standard 18-55 lens - £600 from ebuyer. I took a couple of hundred pics in the first week, mostly while at a wedding and being a tourist in Cape Town, and I am pretty happy with them (but not ecstatic) and reading posts in places like dpreview.com it seems better photographers than me don't rate the standard lens very highly. So I accept the common wisdom that says you should spend at least as much on the lens(es) as the body and based on review and forum research I've now got on order these puppies from 7dayshop.com:
1 x Canon EF Fixed Focal Length Lens - 50mm f/1.8 II = £55.00
1 x Canon EF Zoom Lens - 70-200mm f/4.0 L USM = £429.00
Like at least one other thing in life, the fun is in the chase. Take your time
simpo two said:
Dusty, Dusty, Dusty... haven't we been here before with the 'Dice of Decision'????
Trouble is, the 300D may make more practical sense, but every time you look at yours, you will wish you'd got the 20D instead. So get it; the pleasure of ownership will last long after the cost has been forgotten.
What he said!
DustyC said:
A few minutes ago I was just showing a friend thats keen on photography the eagle shot of Martin (V6GTO) (or do I mean the martin shot of an eagle?!). Anyway, i was just telling him it was an EOS300D with an L series lense and then Martin comes back on and ruins it all again!
Sorry, mate.
Same camera...DIFFERENT LENS...(not an "L")
Tricky one matey. I'm not telling you what to do. I got the 300D a year and 13,000 pics ago. Great camera....although I'd love the 20D, but cannot justify the trade-in vs. a new 20D. So got the 70-200 2.8L IS. Stunning quality. Difference in lens quality is chalk and cheese. 6.3mp is great. Buffer and frame rate is too small, but this does not affect picture quality, see some of my examples, especially of Freddie.
Down to you really. But always buy a top lens.
Spanner in works....taken with a 300D
PS Apologies for dialup
LB
Down to you really. But always buy a top lens.
Spanner in works....taken with a 300D
PS Apologies for dialup
LB
Dusty,
As you can see by Luca's shots, a 300D does the buisness, and I agree with him that, if you've got X to spend, and it's a choice of 300D+L lens or 20D + normal lens, then I'd just make sure I found a black bodied 300D coz I hate the silver ones. Just do it and start enjoying!
Martin.
As you can see by Luca's shots, a 300D does the buisness, and I agree with him that, if you've got X to spend, and it's a choice of 300D+L lens or 20D + normal lens, then I'd just make sure I found a black bodied 300D coz I hate the silver ones. Just do it and start enjoying!
Martin.
And I'd still love to get the 20D. I'm not helping you as I'm contradicting myself by saying that.
I want it not because of the extra resolution, but because of the 35 frame buffer vs. 4, plus the autofocus speed and extra points, but I guess mostly because of the noise reduction filter. I shot about 500 pics last night at MPH'04, having to set the camera to 800ISO to get nearly acceptable shutter speeds. The resulting noise isn't great, but at least you get the picture. From what I've read and seen, the 20D handles this really well.
But here's the rub for me. I've a 300D plus vertical grip, plus remote release. Neither of which are transferable to a 20D, which means even more loss on resale and more cost on purchasing the 20D, as the vertical grip makes a huge difference.
Tricky one indeed.
Any ideas on what a (silver) 300D plus vertical grip might be worth (without the kit lens - as I dropped it on concrete last weekend during a shoot - still works ok, but not risking selling something damaged).
LB - makes DustyC's life even more confusing now
I want it not because of the extra resolution, but because of the 35 frame buffer vs. 4, plus the autofocus speed and extra points, but I guess mostly because of the noise reduction filter. I shot about 500 pics last night at MPH'04, having to set the camera to 800ISO to get nearly acceptable shutter speeds. The resulting noise isn't great, but at least you get the picture. From what I've read and seen, the 20D handles this really well.
But here's the rub for me. I've a 300D plus vertical grip, plus remote release. Neither of which are transferable to a 20D, which means even more loss on resale and more cost on purchasing the 20D, as the vertical grip makes a huge difference.
Tricky one indeed.
Any ideas on what a (silver) 300D plus vertical grip might be worth (without the kit lens - as I dropped it on concrete last weekend during a shoot - still works ok, but not risking selling something damaged).
LB - makes DustyC's life even more confusing now
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