'pushing' film?
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Mad Dave

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283 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Hi All,

Im taking some shots of a Ball tomorrow night and whilst ill be shooting 400ISO with flash for the main shots, I fancy pushing one film to 800 or maybe even 1600 ISO, and shooting without flash, just to see what happens. Is it viable to push a 400 speed film to 1600? Its only 2 stops so im guessing it will be OK. Also, what kind of results am I going to get? Im guessing really grainy with funky colours?!

simpo two

90,513 posts

285 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Not sure but you could just use 1600ASA film?

Mad Dave

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283 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Wheres the fun in that?

kojak

4,547 posts

273 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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You can push the film to 1600 ISO, but I cant see why you'd want to do it at a ball, especially with no flash. They will of course come out with more grain, and you'll loose some of the colour. Not a lot though.

You are also going to have a problem with colour temperature of the lights, so the photos will come out orange.

Why dont you try pushing a b/w film, in daylight, and take photos of some old industrial scenes/building etc...

>> Edited by kojak on Friday 3rd December 12:03

Mad Dave

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Friday 3rd December 2004
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Hmm, maybe you have a point. I just thought that pictures of the band playing would be nice with odd colours and lots of grain.

joospeed

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298 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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The only times I've used fast colour films the results have been very disappointing , I would imagine pushing colour films would have similarly disastrous results for the sort of work you're putting it to.

Why not just use the flash, but angle your flashhead upwards and bounce it off a piece of white card mounted above the flash ona homemade bracket .. always worked great for me in low light situations where you needed some fill.

Pushing b+w films gives interesting results, but never seems to work well in colour imo.

joo

Mad Dave

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Friday 3rd December 2004
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Fair enough, ill abandon the push-processing idea!

I may well use your white card idea, i did some shots at a ball recently and just used the flash straight and it worked ok. I've been asked to take shots of guests at tables tomorrow too, which we will be flogging to them for £12 a throw! Its all for charity though so hopefully theyll come out ok.

bobfrance

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287 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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I pushed 400 to 1600 (B&W) at college (in the 80's) and it came out pretty good. I found the 1600 of the time to be more grainy than a pushed 400.

I was using Ilford film at the time

I guess it depends on what's the most important to you in this instance - good dependable results or having fun experimenting.

You could take two cameras one pushed film and one standard with flash?

YarisSi

1,538 posts

264 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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How about pulling? If you have a 400 film and you set to 200 does that give better quality?
Si

Mad Dave

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Friday 3rd December 2004
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bobfrance said:
I pushed 400 to 1600 (B&W) at college (in the 80's) and it came out pretty good. I found the 1600 of the time to be more grainy than a pushed 400.

I was using Ilford film at the time

I guess it depends on what's the most important to you in this instance - good dependable results or having fun experimenting.

You could take two cameras one pushed film and one standard with flash?


Ill be taking 3 cameras anyway, and was planning on doing just that - one with normal film, the other pushed film.

joospeed

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298 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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bobfrance said:
I pushed 400 to 1600 (B&W) at college (in the 80's) and it came out pretty good. I found the 1600 of the time to be more grainy than a pushed 400.

I was using Ilford film at the time

I guess it depends on what's the most important to you in this instance - good dependable results or having fun experimenting.

You could take two cameras one pushed film and one standard with flash?


Both Ilford's FP4 and HP5 were good b+w films .. though I found they lacked contrast when pushed that far and with my limited knowledge I could never get it back in the final printing, but the experimenting was always fun.

te51cle

2,342 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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I've pushed 200ASA colour print film to 800ASA and had no problem with grain, colour or contrast. I couldn't get a high street lab to do the developing (despite knowing one shop very well). There weren't that many on the web offering it as a service and those who did made it rather expensive just for a bit of a play. So I ended up going to the usual suspects and buying one of their C41 developing kits and doing it myself. Good fun. Think I ended up leaving the film in the developer about a 1/3 longer than normal as a guessed starting point but didn't vary it much from that.

Andrew Noakes

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260 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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YarisSi said:
How about pulling? If you have a 400 film and you set to 200 does that give better quality?


I think most films give optimum quality at or near their rated speed.

tinman0

18,231 posts

260 months

Sunday 5th December 2004
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i used to be into photography many years ago and loved black and white.

i think i had a standard ilford 400iso film and pushed it to 1600 and 3200 to see what would happen. the grain was absolutely awesome.

from my point of view, photography is about doing what you want to do, there are rules, but push the boundaries and see what happens. if you dont like it c'es la vie - and whats the worst that can happen? its not like someone died.