Calling all budding video makers.....
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I've been pondering over this for a while now and thought it was about time to whack up a post here on PH and see what sort of response I get.
What I'm thinking about is a a video (well two actually) that would resemble the kind of work that the guys over at Petrolicious kick out. Only about 5 minutes long each. Now, I've no idea of what's involved, all in can add to it is the subject matters - two cars from the fleet at home - The Tardis and Her Majesty.
To give you an idea of what I'm thinking about have a watch of these if you haven't seen them before :
http://youtu.be/YQKOsDi5HsU
http://youtu.be/67LERJ4h3k8
http://youtu.be/5NwsERB16U0
http://youtu.be/Dt7uQr0YiUs
http://youtu.be/2NwYzajwJvk. (Not technically Petrolicious I know but from the same guys as it predates Petrolicious).
I could list may more videos but I'm hoping that you get the idea.
What I can't stress highly enough though, that for me, the balance of the whole videos(s) has to be just right, subject, dialogue, music. But again, I can't stress enough how little I know regarding what's involved but unless I open this up to a wider audience then I don't know if I'll ever get something off the ground.
Is this a mammoth project on a relatively small scale?
Am I simply asking too much? Or is this something that someone with some creative genius could knock up in a long weekend?
M3J.
What I'm thinking about is a a video (well two actually) that would resemble the kind of work that the guys over at Petrolicious kick out. Only about 5 minutes long each. Now, I've no idea of what's involved, all in can add to it is the subject matters - two cars from the fleet at home - The Tardis and Her Majesty.
To give you an idea of what I'm thinking about have a watch of these if you haven't seen them before :
http://youtu.be/YQKOsDi5HsU
http://youtu.be/67LERJ4h3k8
http://youtu.be/5NwsERB16U0
http://youtu.be/Dt7uQr0YiUs
http://youtu.be/2NwYzajwJvk. (Not technically Petrolicious I know but from the same guys as it predates Petrolicious).
I could list may more videos but I'm hoping that you get the idea.
What I can't stress highly enough though, that for me, the balance of the whole videos(s) has to be just right, subject, dialogue, music. But again, I can't stress enough how little I know regarding what's involved but unless I open this up to a wider audience then I don't know if I'll ever get something off the ground.
Is this a mammoth project on a relatively small scale?
Am I simply asking too much? Or is this something that someone with some creative genius could knock up in a long weekend? M3J.
I watched the first two minutes, you have about 8 different location shoots, 4 in/out car shoots, pans, static shots etc. There are about 30 edits in the first 2 mins.
Assuming you had perfect weather, and knew all the locations you'd need a couple of days to shoot it and a couple of days to edit. Minimum two people, tripod, goPro plus mount and a decent PC/Mac with editing software, music (with copyright), preferably a decent mic... and the knowledge how to use all the above.
It's a lot of work.... not the making, but the knowledge and skill how to do it. Someone asked me a while back how long it took me to write a piece of music, I answered... About 40 years.
(I've made some pro vids in the long distant past - I just arse about now).
Assuming you had perfect weather, and knew all the locations you'd need a couple of days to shoot it and a couple of days to edit. Minimum two people, tripod, goPro plus mount and a decent PC/Mac with editing software, music (with copyright), preferably a decent mic... and the knowledge how to use all the above.
It's a lot of work.... not the making, but the knowledge and skill how to do it. Someone asked me a while back how long it took me to write a piece of music, I answered... About 40 years.
(I've made some pro vids in the long distant past - I just arse about now).
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 12th August 16:24
I reckon the Petrolicious examples are shot with something a bit more professional than a GoPro. Which then means you need much better grip gear. You wouldn't want to risk a £5k camera on an amateur suction mount stuck to a moving car.
There's a fair amount of work going into these that isn't necessarily obvious at first glance. Even simple things like stabilising the footage or grading the final edit. All things you probably aren't conscious of individually but make a substantial contribution to the feeling of quality that you like. All that simplicity and 'rightness' in the final video takes bloody ages in production.
As it's a personal project then you have much more wiggle room for cutting corners (lower spec equipment, less experienced people, less attention to detail etc) but it's important to understand the impact it has on the final results and set your expectations accordingly.
There's a fair amount of work going into these that isn't necessarily obvious at first glance. Even simple things like stabilising the footage or grading the final edit. All things you probably aren't conscious of individually but make a substantial contribution to the feeling of quality that you like. All that simplicity and 'rightness' in the final video takes bloody ages in production.
As it's a personal project then you have much more wiggle room for cutting corners (lower spec equipment, less experienced people, less attention to detail etc) but it's important to understand the impact it has on the final results and set your expectations accordingly.
Edited by Gruffy on Tuesday 12th August 16:41
I can quote for something of that standard, more or less. It's not cheap though, as Get Carter says, probably 4 days in all. 6 minutes is quite a lot of footage to edit and compile.
By way of example, without getting one of my guys to look over those examples, I'd suggest you're looking at something in excess of £1k plus VAT, and that'd probably be at a discount for PH, as I suspect the cost will be a bit more than that. It all depends on the detail, and how long the shoot takes, but bear in mind it takes ages to set up a shot, do a 'take', review it, and re-shoot until the director/editor is happy.
You could get away with mounting Go Pro's on the car itself, the image quality is reasonable enough, and once it's been graded it'll be difficult to tell it's not an expensive camera with good optics.
All of the off-car stuff in those examples has been shot with a bigger, more expensive camera with quality glass. Possibly a DSLR, or possibly one of the pro-spec camcorders.
Are you looking for someone to do this for you, or to point you in the right direction regards cameras? If you wanted, I could rent/loan you cameras to try yourself, although without the experience of editing and shooting for the edit, I think you'll struggle to get a result that you're happy with.
You might find a student studying film or similar at a local university might be willing to do it for cheap/free if you ask nicely.
Feel free to PM if you want to discuss details of any of it, or even just ideas, so you have a better idea of what you want someone to produce for you.
By way of example, without getting one of my guys to look over those examples, I'd suggest you're looking at something in excess of £1k plus VAT, and that'd probably be at a discount for PH, as I suspect the cost will be a bit more than that. It all depends on the detail, and how long the shoot takes, but bear in mind it takes ages to set up a shot, do a 'take', review it, and re-shoot until the director/editor is happy.
You could get away with mounting Go Pro's on the car itself, the image quality is reasonable enough, and once it's been graded it'll be difficult to tell it's not an expensive camera with good optics.
All of the off-car stuff in those examples has been shot with a bigger, more expensive camera with quality glass. Possibly a DSLR, or possibly one of the pro-spec camcorders.
Are you looking for someone to do this for you, or to point you in the right direction regards cameras? If you wanted, I could rent/loan you cameras to try yourself, although without the experience of editing and shooting for the edit, I think you'll struggle to get a result that you're happy with.
You might find a student studying film or similar at a local university might be willing to do it for cheap/free if you ask nicely.
Feel free to PM if you want to discuss details of any of it, or even just ideas, so you have a better idea of what you want someone to produce for you.
Super Slo Mo said:
probably 4 days in all. 6 minutes is quite a lot of footage to edit and compile.
By way of example, without getting one of my guys to look over those examples, I'd suggest you're looking at something in excess of £1k plus VAT,
Gone are the days of '£1,000 per finished minute' By way of example, without getting one of my guys to look over those examples, I'd suggest you're looking at something in excess of £1k plus VAT,
I've been wanting to do something like this for a while now so could be interested if you're looking for a camera operator/editor. I'm fairly well equipped with cameras, mounts and other grip gear too and have shot videos commercially though not in the automotive field (I'm a photographer by trade). Feel free to send a pm.
Simpo Two said:
Super Slo Mo said:
probably 4 days in all. 6 minutes is quite a lot of footage to edit and compile.
By way of example, without getting one of my guys to look over those examples, I'd suggest you're looking at something in excess of £1k plus VAT,
Gone are the days of '£1,000 per finished minute' By way of example, without getting one of my guys to look over those examples, I'd suggest you're looking at something in excess of £1k plus VAT,
The snag nowadays, and it's probably similar to photography, is that there are loads of kids coming out of University who are attempting to sell their services, and who do stuff at cost or for free just to get a food in the door. It means there's little scope for making decent money out of anything and it just becomes a job like any other, albeit with a lot of capital expenditure for kit.
It's more about client education and their understanding of what can be expected at different price points.
The same thing exists in the wider creative world. The tools become cheaper to acquire and easier to use and the production quality of amateur output goes up. The gap between current amateur output and professional output may be smaller but it's still a big gap.
The same thing exists in the wider creative world. The tools become cheaper to acquire and easier to use and the production quality of amateur output goes up. The gap between current amateur output and professional output may be smaller but it's still a big gap.
WOW £1000.00 that is cheap for a finished project.
Our Camera Operators charge £250.00 per day without kit.
Something cheap like a Sony PMW 200 + Tripod would cost £90.00 per day and then add on all the extra stuff you would need, sound kit, sliders, suction mounts, DSLR type camera for the arty shots and this is all before you get into editing...
It's a bigger job than most people would ever realise.
Our Camera Operators charge £250.00 per day without kit.
Something cheap like a Sony PMW 200 + Tripod would cost £90.00 per day and then add on all the extra stuff you would need, sound kit, sliders, suction mounts, DSLR type camera for the arty shots and this is all before you get into editing...
It's a bigger job than most people would ever realise.
Super Slo Mo said:
We charge by the day, nominally for 10 hours per day. I'd like to charge per finished minute, I might try that one with the next quote
Indeed, filming and editing was on a daily rate, but it so happened that for the average corporate video it often worked out at around £1,000/min.Super Slo Mo said:
The snag nowadays, and it's probably similar to photography, is that there are loads of kids coming out of University who are attempting to sell their services, and who do stuff at cost or for free just to get a food in the door.
+1, fuelled by the rise of affordable digital technology. Whether the right skills are behind it seems to be secondary.TheRainMaker said:
It's a bigger job than most people would ever realise.
Hence my post as i really do have no idea on what is involved in any way. I really appreciate all the replies and info guys. Maybe this little project is too big both physically and financially for me to undertake but, if one doesn't ask, one would never know !
kman said:
I've been wanting to do something like this for a while now so could be interested if you're looking for a camera operator/editor. I'm fairly well equipped with cameras, mounts and other grip gear too and have shot videos commercially though not in the automotive field (I'm a photographer by trade). Feel free to send a pm.
Your work had been brought to my attention recently as you snapped my friend Stuart's Camaro which i rather liked the results of. I wouldn't mind some of the same done of mine if your're ever about and fancy doing something together?TheRainMaker said:
WOW £1000.00 that is cheap for a finished project.
Our Camera Operators charge £250.00 per day without kit.
Something cheap like a Sony PMW 200 + Tripod would cost £90.00 per day and then add on all the extra stuff you would need, sound kit, sliders, suction mounts, DSLR type camera for the arty shots and this is all before you get into editing...
It's a bigger job than most people would ever realise.
"In excess of" were the key words. I doubt we could do it for a round Grand, unless we were very very tight on the shoot days with regards travel times, locations etc.Our Camera Operators charge £250.00 per day without kit.
Something cheap like a Sony PMW 200 + Tripod would cost £90.00 per day and then add on all the extra stuff you would need, sound kit, sliders, suction mounts, DSLR type camera for the arty shots and this is all before you get into editing...
It's a bigger job than most people would ever realise.
That's at PH prices mind you, Rate Card is a tad more
I'd strong-arm the guy shooting/editing it into squeezing it into 3 days if I could, although you know what it's like, these things have a habit of overrunning.
I know it's a completely different genre, with completely different technical and logistical aspects, but a friend of mine is a musician, and produces all his own music videos with DSLR's.
I'm no professional, but on youtube, at 720p, they look just as good as any videos I see from major artists.
My point is that professional results are possible on a budget, doing it your self, but he has dedicated his life to music, and will regularly spend hours on end researching and trying different production/editing techniques. It's not somthing that happens over night.
I'm no professional, but on youtube, at 720p, they look just as good as any videos I see from major artists.
My point is that professional results are possible on a budget, doing it your self, but he has dedicated his life to music, and will regularly spend hours on end researching and trying different production/editing techniques. It's not somthing that happens over night.
M3John said:
Your work had been brought to my attention recently as you snapped my friend Stuart's Camaro which i rather liked the results of. I wouldn't mind some of the same done of mine if your're ever about and fancy doing something together?
Hi John, feel free to send me a pm and we can come up with something if you;re interested.Thanks
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