sunsets/rises and lunar questions.
Discussion
Ok, i got home about an hour ago and rushed into the back garden to see if the sunset was any good. I had been blinded by brilliant golden rays all the way home on my bike and was determined to use my expensive paperweight.
To my dismay all i could see was the houses around my garden blotting out any chance of a decent pic.
But wait!, whats that?
The moon!
Ok. rush, bang, clamber out of my cycling garb and erect my tripod. Slowly gently fix on camera and 75-300.
Once set up in the garden i desperately try and remember the best settings for the moon. Ok, i'll try iso 100, f8 and 125th, or near as damn it!.
Good!, i get off a few shots and check the histogram.
All the data is in the middle, Great. But then i realise that in my excitement i may have been shaking while composing the image. I get off a few more shots with the self timer set at 10 secs to make sure.
What if i didn't get it right though?, come on Ian think... Right, bracket my shots. Ok then. But the moon is moving towards that tree and the dense branches make it impossible for the autofocus to tell it apart. Damn!, Manual focus, erm, argh!!!!, 300mm focal lenght, moon is 100 million miles away and i have a slight shake!!.
Never mind. What next? ooh!, i know, lets blat off a couple in raw. So i get in a few shots before the moon dissapears behind the tree.
So how do i process Raw images and what would be the best format to convert to? Tiff or jpg?, I was thinking jpg but only because they are all i see.
Right; sunrise and set.
I was in the garden yesterday in a similar situation .
So determined was i to get off some shots that i would photograph my feet if i had to...
As i turns out the sun was about to disapear behind the houses at the back so i thought i would practice on that.
Ok i thought, I remember reading not to use the viewfinder for framing the shot when the sun is concerned. Seems fair i thought, after all i don't want to damage my eyes. Well how the hell do i do it then? point and hope?!
S*d it!, line up the sun and half depress, Oh! 400th?.
Ok i thought, well it is an enormous amount of light so we'll start with that.
Preview, histogram. All underexposed with a nice fashing black spot over where the sun should be but there isn't one, well not the one i can see. Anyway i trial and error and finally end up down to 40th of a second before anything resmbling the sun i can see shows, Much more and i'll need my tripod which i couldn't be bothered with at that moment.
So, what settings would you typically use to get the setting/rising sun along with the palete of colour it dashes over the sky
Just looked at pbase and as usual all the best pictures don't have an exif thing i can crib.
I should figure out the raw images and get some up later although they are nothing special. Although they may be handy for backgrounds to pictures i havn't taken yet. who was it that superimposed the moon with the shot of his son the other day?, never mind it was probably pbase. BTW does anyone know how to directly link pictures from pbase so they show on the page as a picture? I tried the old ![]()
jobbie but it laughed at me and called me thick
Sorry for the long post and sorry bout the spelling Simpo
To my dismay all i could see was the houses around my garden blotting out any chance of a decent pic.
But wait!, whats that?
The moon!
Ok. rush, bang, clamber out of my cycling garb and erect my tripod. Slowly gently fix on camera and 75-300.
Once set up in the garden i desperately try and remember the best settings for the moon. Ok, i'll try iso 100, f8 and 125th, or near as damn it!.
Good!, i get off a few shots and check the histogram.
All the data is in the middle, Great. But then i realise that in my excitement i may have been shaking while composing the image. I get off a few more shots with the self timer set at 10 secs to make sure.
What if i didn't get it right though?, come on Ian think... Right, bracket my shots. Ok then. But the moon is moving towards that tree and the dense branches make it impossible for the autofocus to tell it apart. Damn!, Manual focus, erm, argh!!!!, 300mm focal lenght, moon is 100 million miles away and i have a slight shake!!.
Never mind. What next? ooh!, i know, lets blat off a couple in raw. So i get in a few shots before the moon dissapears behind the tree.
So how do i process Raw images and what would be the best format to convert to? Tiff or jpg?, I was thinking jpg but only because they are all i see.
Right; sunrise and set.
I was in the garden yesterday in a similar situation .
So determined was i to get off some shots that i would photograph my feet if i had to...
As i turns out the sun was about to disapear behind the houses at the back so i thought i would practice on that.
Ok i thought, I remember reading not to use the viewfinder for framing the shot when the sun is concerned. Seems fair i thought, after all i don't want to damage my eyes. Well how the hell do i do it then? point and hope?!
S*d it!, line up the sun and half depress, Oh! 400th?.
Ok i thought, well it is an enormous amount of light so we'll start with that.
Preview, histogram. All underexposed with a nice fashing black spot over where the sun should be but there isn't one, well not the one i can see. Anyway i trial and error and finally end up down to 40th of a second before anything resmbling the sun i can see shows, Much more and i'll need my tripod which i couldn't be bothered with at that moment.
So, what settings would you typically use to get the setting/rising sun along with the palete of colour it dashes over the sky
Just looked at pbase and as usual all the best pictures don't have an exif thing i can crib.
I should figure out the raw images and get some up later although they are nothing special. Although they may be handy for backgrounds to pictures i havn't taken yet
. who was it that superimposed the moon with the shot of his son the other day?, never mind it was probably pbase. BTW does anyone know how to directly link pictures from pbase so they show on the page as a picture? I tried the old Sorry for the long post and sorry bout the spelling Simpo
Wurgh!
Good to see someone solving problems - well most of them! - on the job... you seem to be metering manually, hence the guesswork...? If you have a bright object on a dark ground, and want the object correctly exposed, try spot metering and program mode. However, I can't understand why it was overexposed at 1/400 but correct at 1/40??? Think you got that the wrong way round...
I don't use RAW, but if you have PS you can download the correct plug-in from Adobe. Well you can if you have a D70, but as you mentioned ISO100 you must have something else!
So shove 'em up and let us kick lumps out of 'em
Good to see someone solving problems - well most of them! - on the job... you seem to be metering manually, hence the guesswork...? If you have a bright object on a dark ground, and want the object correctly exposed, try spot metering and program mode. However, I can't understand why it was overexposed at 1/400 but correct at 1/40??? Think you got that the wrong way round...
I don't use RAW, but if you have PS you can download the correct plug-in from Adobe. Well you can if you have a D70, but as you mentioned ISO100 you must have something else!
So shove 'em up and let us kick lumps out of 'em
To everyone EXCEPT Bilko.
Guys,
Ain't it great to see someone getting the bug , full of enthusiasm, good ideas and working at his problems. Kinda makes you feel good inside.
To Bilko.
You keep at it mate. I'll repeat what I said before, you are gonna be a bloody good photographer before long with your attitude.
Martin.
Guys,
Ain't it great to see someone getting the bug , full of enthusiasm, good ideas and working at his problems. Kinda makes you feel good inside.
To Bilko.
You keep at it mate. I'll repeat what I said before, you are gonna be a bloody good photographer before long with your attitude.
Martin.
Wow, Thanks Martin.
You know what they say though; "the proof is in the pudding"
And you can't rush wisdom, which is just as well i suppose.
Anyway here are 2 pics. The dark one was taken, erm, when it got dark. Don't know what all that green stuff around the edge of the moon is. I think you call it barrel distortion.
www.pbase.com/bilko1971/moon
You know what they say though; "the proof is in the pudding"
And you can't rush wisdom, which is just as well i suppose.
Anyway here are 2 pics. The dark one was taken, erm, when it got dark
. Don't know what all that green stuff around the edge of the moon is. I think you call it barrel distortion. www.pbase.com/bilko1971/moon
V6GTO said:
Mmmmmmm.... love the dark one! I don't want to spoil your day but...you NEED a longer lens.
Martin.
I know mate!
Apparently Canon will make me a 600mmL USM IS for around £64.000
Or somewhere near that figure as mr. nice Jessops man was telling me. EDIT.....
Also the fact that i used a slower shutter speed on the dark one was bothering me and going against the 125th ish that i have read so frequently but with better results.
The only conclusion i can make is one just answered by you...NO x2/1.4 converter. If i had a converter thus bringing the moon closer then i suspect the posted shutter speed would be correct.
>> Edited by bilko2 on Thursday 16th December 19:42
FunkyNige said:
Christ.
They're depressingly good.
I am deeply flattered mate but really the beauty of digital is that you can throw away what is rubbish.
This, for your confidence and my shame
was a fleeting attempt done yesterday before i gave up and retired to the bottle ( joke ) www.pbase.com/bilko1971/image/37567243/large
bilko2 said:
Don't know what all that green stuff around the edge of the moon is. I think you call it barrel distortion.
Reckon that's chromatic aberration - where the lens, not being 100% perfect, splits the colours apart.
Anyway, I'm not helping you anymore Bilko, you're off the deck and flying solo
simpo two said:
Don't know what all that green stuff around the edge of the moon is. I think you call it barrel distortion.
Reckon that's chromatic aberration - where the lens, not being 100% perfect, splits the colours apart.
Yup, it is. You can correct it with software but it doesn't look too bad on that lense.
oh, and it's the 1200mm Canon non IS that's around £64k
The middle one's lovely.
Only Photoshop CS comes with RAW convertors I believe. You used to be able to download one for v7.0 but I'm damned if I can find it.
On the lens front, the 75-300mm is a nice lens (is it the IS one?). Turn IS off if on a tripod.
For the next jump, check out the 100-400L IS lens. A lot more expensive, but the quality of images from it is stunning. Noticeably better than the 75-300 (which itself gives good results). Can be bought from Andorra, the States or Japan very reasonably
Only Photoshop CS comes with RAW convertors I believe. You used to be able to download one for v7.0 but I'm damned if I can find it.
On the lens front, the 75-300mm is a nice lens (is it the IS one?). Turn IS off if on a tripod.
For the next jump, check out the 100-400L IS lens. A lot more expensive, but the quality of images from it is stunning. Noticeably better than the 75-300 (which itself gives good results). Can be bought from Andorra, the States or Japan very reasonably
To help get organised you can get some handy free software (PC or Pocket PC) to tell you where and when the sun and moon will be rising or setting:
http://home.comcast.net/~jonsachs/#Ephemeris%201.0
There's a full moon on Boxing Day which rises at about 3pm so I expect there will be lots of Christmas presents pointed at the horizon...
http://home.comcast.net/~jonsachs/#Ephemeris%201.0
There's a full moon on Boxing Day which rises at about 3pm so I expect there will be lots of Christmas presents pointed at the horizon...
Captain Beaky said:
To help get organised you can get some handy free software (PC or Pocket PC) to tell you where and when the sun and moon will be rising or setting:
http://home.comcast.net/~jonsachs/#Ephemeris%201.0
There's a full moon on Boxing Day which rises at about 3pm so I expect there will be lots of Christmas presents pointed at the horizon...
I had something similar on my pc untill i did a system restore recently.
They are great little programs for telling where all the astral objects are and the animation was interesting to see predictions etc.
Thanks
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