Sony A7... Dogs
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Havoc856-S

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2,072 posts

202 months

Sunday 14th May 2017
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Hi all,

I've recently acquired a Sony A7 with the kit 28-70mm lens and to be frank, i'm having a concern regarding the AF-C and tracking subjects. Whenever I use AF-C it produces pretty horrifically out of focus shots, even in bright sunlight (or high ISO) with little concern to shutter speed (everything from 1/10 - 1/2000 was the same). When things get static it's wonderfully sharp.

Any ideas, tips or steers?

Simpo Two

91,338 posts

288 months

Sunday 14th May 2017
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Shutter speed won't affect focus, only motion blur. Bright light/contrasty subjects will help the system find focus but high ISO won't.

To the variables that matter - AF systems can be complex - check that you're using the right focus points and the right focusing mode (whatever they are on an A7). Read the manual for this. Also make sure your lens can respond fast enough.

It may also be that the speed of the dog is too great for your system to cope anyway!

TheRainMaker

7,670 posts

265 months

Sunday 14th May 2017
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This is how I do it.

Set the focus area to zone - Located in FN
Set focus to Continuous - Located in FN
Set Lock-on AF - On (Start w/ shutter) - Located in the menu - camera icon - page 5

It can still miss focus but it's not normally to bad.

TheRainMaker

7,670 posts

265 months

Sunday 14th May 2017
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Forgot to say, I don't have the kit lens, so the results might not be the same.

JustinP1

13,357 posts

253 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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TheRainMaker's setup should work.

I've got the A7rii so your results may vary slightly, but there is an EVF setting so you can see the actual focus points used in real time. It looks like a lot of small green squares 'flowing' over the area in focus. If not already, try using that as it may help diagnose what's going on.

When doing that I have to say that the object tracking is pretty bloody good, as good as I've seen. Apart from the A9... smile

The other scenario is what you are shooting may be difficult for *any* camera/lens combo to consistently keep up with. So nothing you are doing wrong as such.

TheRainMaker

7,670 posts

265 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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JustinP1 said:
I've got the A7rii so your results may vary slightly, but there is an EVF setting so you can see the actual focus points used in real time. It looks like a lot of small green squares 'flowing' over the area in focus. If not already, try using that as it may help diagnose what's going on.
The A7 just shows a green box around the whole subject (when it's locked on), the small green squares are on the later models.

JustinP1

13,357 posts

253 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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TheRainMaker said:
JustinP1 said:
I've got the A7rii so your results may vary slightly, but there is an EVF setting so you can see the actual focus points used in real time. It looks like a lot of small green squares 'flowing' over the area in focus. If not already, try using that as it may help diagnose what's going on.
The A7 just shows a green box around the whole subject (when it's locked on), the small green squares are on the later models.
Ah... I'll get my coat then...

Maybe I was confused with the A7 mkII as I considered that before the r.

Either way though, the autofocus is very good and should be able to 'keep up' unless it would be unrealistic for it to do so in the circumstances.

OP, is it possible to try another lens to eradicate that factor from the equation?

TheRainMaker

7,670 posts

265 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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JustinP1 said:
Ah... I'll get my coat then...
Think I missed some smilies off my post.

whistle

JustinP1

13,357 posts

253 months

Monday 15th May 2017
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TheRainMaker said:
JustinP1 said:
Ah... I'll get my coat then...
Think I missed some smilies off my post.

whistle
It's actually my fault for not adding them to mine! smile

ukaskew

10,642 posts

244 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Worth pointing out that the a7 AF is not on par with the a7ii (and miles off the a7Rii).

Lens choice also makes a huge difference, the new 50mm 1.8 is oddly pedestrian, but the 28mm f2, 55mm 1.8 etc are pretty decent.

Lynchie999

3,622 posts

176 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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the dog probably isn't very contrasty anyway for AF...

Havoc856-S

Original Poster:

2,072 posts

202 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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Hi all,

Sorry for the delay.

Here's a batch of the offending images. I've since whacked on a Canon EF 50mm and run it with MF to better success (using the green flowing focus indicators). With the kit lense i'm watching the flowing box track the head and then seemingly slowly lose focus tracking. I think coming from a 7D has spoiled me somewhat.

DSC00298 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

DSC00295 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

And some successful examples;

_DSC0521 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

Muddy Paws = Happy Dog by Simon Cox, on Flickr

Simpo Two

91,338 posts

288 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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Only the first one has any tracking requirement - but IMHO you're on the wrong side of the dog to start with...

Lynchie999

3,622 posts

176 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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most of your issues is with the kit lens, the shutter speed doesn't seem fast enough to freeze the dog.. whack up the ISO to 88 mph.. the others in your feed seem great!

Edited by Lynchie999 on Thursday 18th May 09:20

Havoc856-S

Original Poster:

2,072 posts

202 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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So i put on the cheap as chips 50mm F1.8 prime from my 7D and stuck to MF - the 'point of focus sweep' is brilliant IMO.

Got these yesterday... much improvement.

GSRE 28 May 17 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

GSRE 28 May 17 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

GSRE 28 May 17 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

GSRE 28 May 17 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

GSRE 28 May 17 by Simon Cox, on Flickr

I'm getting more confident with MF - it's always something i've shied away from prior. Now i'm not sure why....