Adobe PhotoShop CS for Photographers Book?
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Does anyone have this book [url]Adobe PhotoShop CS for Photographers by Martin England|http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0240519426/qid=1118394428/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-6843798-8172615[/url]?
If so, have you seen this book [url]The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers by Scott Kelby|http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735714118/ref=pd_sim_b_dp_1/202-6843798-8172615[/url]? I have this one and wondered whether it was worth getting the first one aswell. Will there be too much overlap or do both compliment each other?
Cheers,
Phil.
If so, have you seen this book [url]The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers by Scott Kelby|http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735714118/ref=pd_sim_b_dp_1/202-6843798-8172615[/url]? I have this one and wondered whether it was worth getting the first one aswell. Will there be too much overlap or do both compliment each other?
Cheers,
Phil.
I have the Martin England book. It's very good, with fab photos and clear examples. He's the beta tester for Adobe so should know what he's talking about. My only gripe is that when he explains how to do something he assumes you know how to get to certain menus... which often I don't - and so one has to cross reference.
Don't know the other book... but assume there will be a LOT of overlap.
Steve
>> Edited by GetCarter on Friday 10th June 10:27
Don't know the other book... but assume there will be a LOT of overlap.
Steve
>> Edited by GetCarter on Friday 10th June 10:27
I don't have the books you mention - but PS6 by Evening and one of Kelby's "Down and Dirty" books (again for 6)
Totally different styles. You might get on with one but not the other.
I also have Steve's gripe with Evening. He's clearly good but just every other page you think, well how does he assume I know X or Y.
Kelby tries to write so that you can re-create exactly his "trick" in a paternal american style which could really hack you off, if it weren't so "cool".
Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!!! Now I've written "cool" like a Yank! - see what I mean!
Totally different styles. You might get on with one but not the other.
I also have Steve's gripe with Evening. He's clearly good but just every other page you think, well how does he assume I know X or Y.
Kelby tries to write so that you can re-create exactly his "trick" in a paternal american style which could really hack you off, if it weren't so "cool".
Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!!! Now I've written "cool" like a Yank! - see what I mean!
beano500 said:
Kelby tries to write so that you can re-create exactly his "trick" in a paternal american style which could really hack you off, if it weren't so "cool".
Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!!! Now I've written "cool" like a Yank! - see what I mean!
I agree - I do like Scott's book and it is great to be told press button 1, then 2, then click here then step back and admire.
Now I'd like a book that's a little more detailed but not into the mathematics behind gaussian blur etc!
just a bit more theory. Thanks for the opinons both of you though.
Phil.
chim_knee said:I think that's what I'm seeking too. If you find it, let us know!!!
Now I'd like a book that's a little more detailed but not into the mathematics behind gaussian blur etc!
I considered courses, but decided they probably wouldn't seem value for money.
I've learnt a number of processes, but don't always feel I know what's going on.
Funnily enough, I'm going to take away the Adobe Manual that came with the software this weekend, see if I acn't really get to appreciate what I'm doing with all these layers and paths and high pass gaussian thresholds and whatnot.
In the good ol' days, you just shook your fist in the path of teh light from the enlarger. Don't completely understand why it's so much more complicated with these eleckypixietrickery things!
beano500 said:
I also have Steve's gripe with Evening. He's clearly good but just every other page you think, well how does he assume I know X or Y.
The answer is above the title on the cover:
"A Professional image editor's guide to the creative use of Photoshop"
He assumes you are a professional and know your way around PS to a reasonable degree.
Bugger. That's no work getting done today either then. Yesterday new lens, today new book.
Anyway, first impressions are that it's going to take a while for me to give a decent comparison. The Evening book looks at first glance to be a *lot* more detailed. For starters, Kelby 459pp : Evening 675pp + CD (although the evening book is a /slightly/ smaller format
)
Seriously though, it took me a couple of evenings reading through the Kelby book whilst watching TV to absorb a fair amount of it and know what's in it to refer back to. My immediate reaction of the Evening book is that it's going to take more time just to wade through it. Where Kelby introduces one "trick" per double page (or there abouts) page making it an easy to follow set of "lessons", Evening's is much more textbook like.
At this early stage, I would say, for a Photoshop numpty like me, both books are going to be just what the doctor ordered. Kelby's book as a quick fix to get me up and running and turning out improved images, Evening's to take the time over and get more detail.
For an overview, here are the chapter lists from both books if anyone's interested:
The Photoshop CS2 Book - Scott Kelby
Love Can Build a Bridge (Bridge Essentials)
Give Me the Bridge (Advanced Bridge Techniques)
Raw Hide (Mastering Camera Raw)
Super Size Me (Resizing and Cropping)
Anger Management (Color Management Step-by-Step)
The Color of Money (Color Correction Secrets)
Black & White (Photoshop in Black and White)
Modern Problems (Dealing with Image Problems)
Take Me Away (Removing Unwanted Objects)
Photograph (Retouching Portraits)
Special (Photographic Special Effects)
Wide Receiver (Creating Panoramas)
Look Sharp (Sharpening Techniques)
Men at Work (How to Show Your Work)
Showtime (Showing Your Client)
Adobe Photoshop CS2 for Photographers - Martin Evening
What's New in Adobe Photoshop CS2
The Work Space
Configuring Photoshop
Basic Image Adjustments
Color Correction
Repairing an Image
Montage Techniques
Darkroom Effects
Layer Effects
Photoshop Filters
Digital Capture
Resolution
Colour Management
Output for Print
Output for the Web
Image Management
Automating Photoshop
Appendix
There are two things that writing out these chapter listings have made clear. Firstly, Evening's style is much more traditional book than Kelby's that is jolly, jocular American comedy. Depends if you like that sort of thing I guess. It makes it a little easier to read and less dry at times but can get on your nerves. The second point is that Kelby's book is a list of tips and tricks and lessons teaching you things that will help you produce better output. It is by no means a complete treatise as to every feature offered by PS. On my initial scan, Evening's book seems to much more along these lines of documenting each and every individual feature of use to a photographer.
Anyway, first impressions are that it's going to take a while for me to give a decent comparison. The Evening book looks at first glance to be a *lot* more detailed. For starters, Kelby 459pp : Evening 675pp + CD (although the evening book is a /slightly/ smaller format
) Seriously though, it took me a couple of evenings reading through the Kelby book whilst watching TV to absorb a fair amount of it and know what's in it to refer back to. My immediate reaction of the Evening book is that it's going to take more time just to wade through it. Where Kelby introduces one "trick" per double page (or there abouts) page making it an easy to follow set of "lessons", Evening's is much more textbook like.
At this early stage, I would say, for a Photoshop numpty like me, both books are going to be just what the doctor ordered. Kelby's book as a quick fix to get me up and running and turning out improved images, Evening's to take the time over and get more detail.
For an overview, here are the chapter lists from both books if anyone's interested:
The Photoshop CS2 Book - Scott Kelby
Love Can Build a Bridge (Bridge Essentials)
Give Me the Bridge (Advanced Bridge Techniques)
Raw Hide (Mastering Camera Raw)
Super Size Me (Resizing and Cropping)
Anger Management (Color Management Step-by-Step)
The Color of Money (Color Correction Secrets)
Black & White (Photoshop in Black and White)
Modern Problems (Dealing with Image Problems)
Take Me Away (Removing Unwanted Objects)
Photograph (Retouching Portraits)
Special (Photographic Special Effects)
Wide Receiver (Creating Panoramas)
Look Sharp (Sharpening Techniques)
Men at Work (How to Show Your Work)
Showtime (Showing Your Client)
Adobe Photoshop CS2 for Photographers - Martin Evening
What's New in Adobe Photoshop CS2
The Work Space
Configuring Photoshop
Basic Image Adjustments
Color Correction
Repairing an Image
Montage Techniques
Darkroom Effects
Layer Effects
Photoshop Filters
Digital Capture
Resolution
Colour Management
Output for Print
Output for the Web
Image Management
Automating Photoshop
Appendix
There are two things that writing out these chapter listings have made clear. Firstly, Evening's style is much more traditional book than Kelby's that is jolly, jocular American comedy. Depends if you like that sort of thing I guess. It makes it a little easier to read and less dry at times but can get on your nerves. The second point is that Kelby's book is a list of tips and tricks and lessons teaching you things that will help you produce better output. It is by no means a complete treatise as to every feature offered by PS. On my initial scan, Evening's book seems to much more along these lines of documenting each and every individual feature of use to a photographer.
LexSport said:
review
What a great review! Exactly what I would have hoped for - thanks!
Looks like the book might be a go-er then. Sounds like it takes Kelby to the "next level" as it were. Describing yourself as a numpty (though I'm sure there is a bit of poetic licence there!) and the fact that the two books would be about what you need is great because that's where I would put myself.
Thanks again - most useful!
Cheers,
Phil.
Glad to be of help. Pleased to be able to redress the balance a little by giving something back rather than take, take, take.
One thing I have just noticed and thought I ought to mention - I have been comparing the two CS2 books. I doubt this will make much difference to the conclusion, but just thought I'd mention it.
I'll update again when I've had more time to delve into Evening's book.
One thing I have just noticed and thought I ought to mention - I have been comparing the two CS2 books. I doubt this will make much difference to the conclusion, but just thought I'd mention it.
I'll update again when I've had more time to delve into Evening's book.
I've seen neither book but I know which one I prefer.
Layer Effects
Photoshop Filters
Digital Capture
Resolution
Colour Management
Output for Print
- is making me fall asleep already; too much like a syllabus and I've done enough of those; my photography is for fun.
Whilst this lot:
Raw Hide (Mastering Camera Raw)
Super Size Me (Resizing and Cropping)
Anger Management (Color Management Step-by-Step)
The Color of Money (Color Correction Secrets)
Black & White (Photoshop in Black and White)
Modern Problems (Dealing with Image Problems)
Take Me Away (Removing Unwanted Objects)
Photograph (Retouching Portraits)
Special (Photographic Special Effects)
Wide Receiver (Creating Panoramas)
- deals with subjects from the problem end. It tells me what's in the tin and how to do the thing I want to do.
Layer Effects
Photoshop Filters
Digital Capture
Resolution
Colour Management
Output for Print
- is making me fall asleep already; too much like a syllabus and I've done enough of those; my photography is for fun.
Whilst this lot:
Raw Hide (Mastering Camera Raw)
Super Size Me (Resizing and Cropping)
Anger Management (Color Management Step-by-Step)
The Color of Money (Color Correction Secrets)
Black & White (Photoshop in Black and White)
Modern Problems (Dealing with Image Problems)
Take Me Away (Removing Unwanted Objects)
Photograph (Retouching Portraits)
Special (Photographic Special Effects)
Wide Receiver (Creating Panoramas)
- deals with subjects from the problem end. It tells me what's in the tin and how to do the thing I want to do.
simpo two said:
I've seen neither book but I know which one I prefer.
Raw Hide (Mastering Camera Raw)
Super Size Me (Resizing and Cropping)
Anger Management (Color Management Step-by-Step)
The Color of Money (Color Correction Secrets)
Black & White (Photoshop in Black and White)
Modern Problems (Dealing with Image Problems)
Take Me Away (Removing Unwanted Objects)
Photograph (Retouching Portraits)
Special (Photographic Special Effects)
Wide Receiver (Creating Panoramas)
- deals with subjects from the problem end. It tells me what's in the tin and how to do the thing I want to do.
Is it me, or do they sound like song titles? Perhaps on the CD you get 'SingalongaPhotoshop'. Solve you PS problems with a song and a merry jape.
Bacardi said:They're song, book and film titles. It's his "quirky American style". I can live with it, but I imagine some people would hate it.
Is it me, or do they sound like song titles? Perhaps on the CD you get 'SingalongaPhotoshop'. Solve you PS problems with a song and a merry jape.
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