Sometimes they work and sometimes not
Sometimes they work and sometimes not
Author
Discussion

te51cle

Original Poster:

2,342 posts

278 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
quotequote all
Thought this looked great on the small screen on the back of my 350D. Followed Graham's advice about shutter speeds for prop aircraft, great light, aircraft at an interesting angle, pilot visible, panned with it, waited for the crucial moment to press the button instead of motor driving away, and... aargh ! Camera shake:



Have to stick with this instead:



Looking at a number of images I've taken I seem to be able to pan better when the subject is going from left to right. Anyone else have a preferred direction ?

CarMac

669 posts

244 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
quotequote all
Yes, left to right for me too. We went to watch some grassing on sunday and the pics of the cars from right to left round the track were pants compared to the left to right ones as they went round the top of the track. Weird.

Mrs Trackside

9,299 posts

263 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
quotequote all
te51cle, how did you put your email address on the bottom of your picture?

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
quotequote all
Trick is to move with your body rather than the camera. Position your feet aiming toward the end of the pan, and twist your body uncomfortably at the start of the pan. Always start the pan uncomfortable, and end it comfortable. Twist around your hips, hold the camera lightly, and gently squeeze the shutter.

I've been filming on long lenses for telly for years, this has always worked very well for me

V6GTO

11,579 posts

272 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Parrot of Doom said:
Trick is to move with your body rather than the camera. Position your feet aiming toward the end of the pan, and twist your body uncomfortably at the start of the pan. Always start the pan uncomfortable, and end it comfortable. Twist around your hips, hold the camera lightly, and gently squeeze the shutter.


This is great advise folks...just wish people wouldn't give all these "trade secrets" away!

Martin.

graham@reading

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
I must remember that I always start off comfortable and end up in knots

As for the email address, just a moment in Photoshop creating a new layer and using the text tool.

Or probably copying and pasting an existing image of that text onto a new layer tbh, which is what I do.

te5icle...you think that's tricky (although you got a nice clear one in the end) try the Chinook or the Osprey. The rotation is so slooooow you have to go down to 1/60 or so. In about 100 shots of each, I think I have one sharp one

Edited by graham@reading on Wednesday 19th July 00:10

J111

3,354 posts

245 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Gorgeous second shot. I, too, prefer L>R pans. I'll dig one out tmw

graham@reading said:

As for the email address, just a moment in Photoshop creating a new layer and using the text tool.

Or probably copying and pasting an existing image of that text onto a new layer tbh, which is what I do.

That's a bit of a pain, compared to using a signature brush:
www.myjanee.com/tuts/brush/cbrush7.htm

graham@reading

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Good plan

(Im a weird kind of "lazy" - my method works so I never looked into changing it, despite there being much more efficient methods )

Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

278 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Parrot of Doom said:
Trick is to move with your body rather than the camera. Position your feet aiming toward the end of the pan, and twist your body uncomfortably at the start of the pan. Always start the pan uncomfortable, and end it comfortable. Twist around your hips, hold the camera lightly, and gently squeeze the shutter.

I've been filming on long lenses for telly for years, this has always worked very well for me


Totally correct, and also the same technique is used for clay pigeon shooting...

Britcarfan

110 posts

247 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
I am a beginner and have owned my DSLR for 3 months. I found only left to right pans turned out good enough to keep to start with. Until I read somewhere exactly the advice that Parrot of doom has given. Now I get more keepers when panning including these two (1 from each direction):




That advice sounds remarkably simple but really does make a difference.

Ray.

Edited to add: I am still learning though so for every keeper I get there is probably about 5 embarrassingly rubbish shots!

Edited by Britcarfan on Wednesday 19th July 12:26

CarMac

669 posts

244 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
A left and a right from me too. Had to get rid of quite a few from both sides where the cars had already gone past by the time I'd taken the pics.





Will certainly try the advice given above and see if it makes a difference!

graham@reading

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Britcarfan said:
I am a beginner


Liar



Excellent shots

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
te51cle said:
...Followed Graham's advice about shutter speeds for prop aircraft,...


Which was...?

rhubarb

511 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Recently I read in a photography magazine that said panning shots should 'always' be left to right, because that's the way we read and that's the way our brain expects movement to be. There might be something scientific in that but if you ask me it's a load of twoddle, I do however find left to right a whole lot more comfortable.

graham@reading

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Podie said:
te51cle said:
...Followed Graham's advice about shutter speeds for prop aircraft,...


Which was...?


1/250s or so to get some blur on the propellor. Static props on an in-flight aircraft just look...odd.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
rhubarb said:
Recently I read in a photography magazine that said panning shots should 'always' be left to right, because that's the way we read and that's the way our brain expects movement to be. There might be something scientific in that but if you ask me it's a load of twoddle, I do however find left to right a whole lot more comfortable.


You left or right handed...

I'm a leftie and find right to left easier to control...

Then again, all bloody cameras are right handed...

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
graham@reading said:
Podie said:
te51cle said:
...Followed Graham's advice about shutter speeds for prop aircraft,...


Which was...?


1/250s or so to get some blur on the propellor. Static props on an in-flight aircraft just look...odd.


Thanks.

graham@reading

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Having said that, that's an average. Speeds are obviously variable. The Herc is a bit slower and there's one particular old plane (the Beaver I think) that has such a fast prop that the blade tips break the sound barrier

mechsympathy

58,771 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
Bear with me on this but how do you guys stand?

I normally stand with my left foot forward, trunk turned 1/2 left, left arm tucked into the left side of my chest wall supporting the lense, right arm consequently slightly across the front of my chest and my head turned left approx 2/3. From this position it is far harder to turn left than it is right, leading to better panning left to right.

So for better right to left panning you should start from a less stable feeling position (ie same foot position as if you're planning a static shot at the point you hope to capture the picture) but with your trunk turned less to the left.

IYSWIM





Cue lots of people standing up at work pretending to take pics

graham@reading

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
quotequote all
mechsympathy said:

Cue lots of people standing up at work pretending to take pics



Yep Although I do have the camera with me today

I face forward with feet level to the point where the action's going to pass me, ie stand square on, then just swivel my upper body and rotate.